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Post by Joel on Apr 3, 2020 10:17:46 GMT -5
Here is my basis: Gravil and Shelton are 2nd and 3rd all time, as it stands (either order, I don't care), you cant project what a player could do to determine the fate of those that have retired. Yes Dunn could smash the records, but he may not, you cant just assume that. You need to base players off of how they compare to their contemporaries and those players of the past. We have had 25 seasons now, its clear that these two were special. If we were to start judging players off of projections for current players, no one would ever get in, as I could claim that when Dunn's time is up, that Willis could surpass it, and therefore he shouldn't be in.
I think all HOF judgements shouldn't be compared to guys currently playing at this point honestly.
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Post by ezlee2 on Apr 3, 2020 10:18:41 GMT -5
Anything less than 1st ballot would be a huge injustice for Grayvil and Shelton IMO I'm not so sure Rob. Great players but you can argue that Dalton Dunn has raised the bar even further than Sinclair, Grayvil and Shelton. If Dunn carries on his projection, he'll be way out in front. I gotta disagree with you Steve. When I think of the all-time great WRs Grayvil and Shelton will always be in the convo. Even if Dunn keeps it up he will be hard pressed to catch Sinclair who IMO is the Jerry Rice of the RZB. I encourage you to take a look at how Grayvil and Shelton stack up against WRs in other MP leagues and you see they are some of the greatest careers around.
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Post by ezlee2 on Apr 3, 2020 10:21:22 GMT -5
IMO, 1st ballot HOFers are reserved for the household names. The true greats. I guarantee you that 99.9% of the GMs in this league know who these guys were, what they did and what they meant to the league.
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Post by rush27 on Apr 3, 2020 10:33:39 GMT -5
I'm not so sure Rob. Great players but you can argue that Dalton Dunn has raised the bar even further than Sinclair, Grayvil and Shelton. If Dunn carries on his projection, he'll be way out in front. I gotta disagree with you Steve. When I think of the all-time great WRs Grayvil and Shelton will always be in the convo. Even if Dunn keeps it up he will be hard pressed to catch Sinclair who IMO is the Jerry Rice of the RZB. I encourage you to take a look at how Grayvil and Shelton stack up against WRs in other MP leagues and you see they are some of the greatest careers around. So Sinclair is ahead of Grayvil and Shelton? I agree. By the way, we haven't voted yet. I'm just offering a different opinion. Need to see it from both sides of the argument. Who says I don't vote them first ballot?
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Post by ezlee2 on Apr 3, 2020 10:58:26 GMT -5
Not saying you are or are not. I'm just providing my argument on why I think they are. ![](http://res.cloudinary.com/ezlee2/image/upload/v1585929498/iqualtyfhwzhefprkplb.png)
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Post by ezlee2 on Apr 3, 2020 10:59:19 GMT -5
This is IHOF![](http://res.cloudinary.com/ezlee2/image/upload/v1585929545/lvu1kqu0tbacid6tw0ce.png)
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Post by ezlee2 on Apr 3, 2020 11:00:12 GMT -5
This is NAFL![](http://res.cloudinary.com/ezlee2/image/upload/v1585929604/nuk7mfgsqgbwsw2dly6k.png)
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Post by ezlee2 on Apr 3, 2020 11:02:12 GMT -5
As you can see Shelton and Grayvil's careers rank not only in the top of the RZB, but in the upper echelon between three longstanding competitive MP leagues.
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Post by rush27 on Apr 3, 2020 11:39:17 GMT -5
I don't compare to other leagues. But the real life NFL has had six 1st ballot hall of fame Receivers in it's whole history. Again, I just looking at it from another angle. I haven't made a decision on anybody. 1st ballot players at any position should be the absolute elite. The cream of the crop. That for me is Sinclair right now and then these guys are just below.
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Post by ezlee2 on Apr 3, 2020 12:02:20 GMT -5
I don't think you really can speak to one without the other two IMO as they'll always be forever linked. Yes, Sinclair is the GOAT, but the other two are still in the mix and something very special IMO. Well worthy of being a 1st ballot HOFer IMO.
In regards to comparing to other leagues. I was just trying to put things in context as to how truly great the careers of those three had been.
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Post by Nick on Apr 3, 2020 12:22:51 GMT -5
Please refrain from posting minor leagues drivel in this forum. Thank you
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Post by Nick on Apr 3, 2020 12:26:45 GMT -5
I am torn on Shelton and Grayvil. I think they probably would be the weakest 1st ballot players we have inducted. But I am leaning towards voting for them both as 1st ballot. As Rob says they were just on the forum every other week.
We voted 2 RBs in 1st ballot. So maybe 3 WRs is okay. But then, I do think this is debatable. Sinclair is clearly no.1 IMO.
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Post by ezlee2 on Apr 3, 2020 12:33:05 GMT -5
As for RB, I don't see anyone near Chamberlain and Rawls. Those two are clearly head and shoulders above the rest and IMO there is not anyone worth speaking about at this time.
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Post by Nick on Apr 3, 2020 12:34:38 GMT -5
As for RB, I don't see anyone near Chamberlain and Rawls. Those two are clearly head and shoulders above the rest and IMO there is not anyone worth speaking about at this time. Jokes aside I totally agree.
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Post by ezlee2 on Apr 3, 2020 12:35:23 GMT -5
On a side note, what are the chances that he returns for season 15? I think I've seen that a few times and he's only 34.
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