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Post by Jugg on Mar 18, 2024 10:02:14 GMT -5
I don't understand the love for Justin Fields. He has the running ability of a Lamar Jackson and thats something that will always make him viable and unpredictable. But he isn't good enough as a thrower to be a starting QB. I think he will develop into one of those QBs who get a few shots at a starting gig, but in the end he materialize as a high end backup or a below average starting bridge QB for a year here and there. Agree, he is really bad. He's horrible at processing and throwing to anything other than his 1st read. And he now goes to another team without a brilliant offensive mind calling plays so he will be more of the same. Not sure what you consider a "brilliant" mind. Arthur Smith is part of the Shanahan coaching tree. Which almost half the league is trying to get a Shanahan disciple to run their offense. Smith also revived Ryan Tannehill's career as he had 55 TDs and just 13 INTs in the two seasons under Smith and Tennessee had a top 5 offense that second season. Sure, Fields will need to be coached up, but for you to dismiss Arthur Smith as if he isn't a legit or capable OC is just flat out silly.
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Post by Bighouserulez on Mar 18, 2024 10:03:12 GMT -5
I don't understand the love for Justin Fields. He has the running ability of a Lamar Jackson and thats something that will always make him viable and unpredictable. But he isn't good enough as a thrower to be a starting QB. I think he will develop into one of those QBs who get a few shots at a starting gig, but in the end he materialize as a high end backup or a below average starting bridge QB for a year here and there. Agree, he is really bad. He's horrible at processing and throwing to anything other than his 1st read. And he now goes to another team without a brilliant offensive mind calling plays so he will be more of the same. Qouting Lamar his first year in the league. I know Fields has been around 3 now but any team should be able to built around a player a bit more as he can make the throws and is one of the best running Qbs in the league.
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Post by Strubbel94 on Mar 18, 2024 10:07:22 GMT -5
Agree, he is really bad. He's horrible at processing and throwing to anything other than his 1st read. And he now goes to another team without a brilliant offensive mind calling plays so he will be more of the same. Qouting Lamar his first year in the league. I know Fields has been around 3 now but any team should be able to built around a player a bit more as he can make the throws and is one of the best running Qbs in the league. Fields has some qualities for sure, but Lamar Jackson was throwing much better than Justin Fields in his first 3 seasons. Justin will be able to win games for you, but I have my doubts that he will be a longterm solution. Even with bad coaching a QB shouldn't stagnate like that, he has seen NFL defenses now for 3 seasons and he didn't got better yet, sure a bad coaching staff doesn't help, but something you need to develop on your own.
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Post by jeremyOG on Mar 18, 2024 12:25:46 GMT -5
Agree, he is really bad. He's horrible at processing and throwing to anything other than his 1st read. And he now goes to another team without a brilliant offensive mind calling plays so he will be more of the same. Not sure what you consider a "brilliant" mind. Arthur Smith is part of the Shanahan coaching tree. Which almost half the league is trying to get a Shanahan disciple to run their offense. Smith also revived Ryan Tannehill's career as he had 55 TDs and just 13 INTs in the two seasons under Smith and Tennessee had a top 5 offense that second season. Sure, Fields will need to be coached up, but for you to dismiss Arthur Smith as if he isn't a legit or capable OC is just flat out silly. Brilliant offensive minds... Reid, LaFleur, Shanahan, Mcvay. Hope that helps. guys who can scheme the fuck out of a game plan to create mismatches and get their weapons the ball in space. Also no it is not silly to say Arthur Smith isn't one of those, it's spot on. It's kind of silly to think otherwise though. Dude has been all over the place as a coaching assistant, from defense to mainly being oline and tight ends coach. He was OC of a good offense one year and it happened to be the year Derrick Henry was in god mode. His tenure in Atlanta was a joke, he simply could never find a way to get his best players the ball. From Pitts, to London to Bijon last year. And he doesn't know what to do in the redzone which is a huge red flag as a play caller.
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Post by Jimmy Johnson on Mar 18, 2024 15:55:39 GMT -5
Too cheap for a legit QB IMO. He is going to be good. We’ve seen the flashes. Just needs the right OC to bring out the best in him. I’d give anything to have him in Dallas.
no love for dak, jj? he should have made to a couple SBs if not for poor HCs
I will say that Dak has not had good head coaches but with that said he is a “good” regular season QB. He isn’t built for the playoffs. Too indecisive and just doesn’t have the it factor. He is also piss poor at reading defenses, something his predecessor was great at despite throwing his fair share of interceptions. It’s a culture that Jerry has built. You just need to be “good enough”. Keep putting butts in the seats and making Jerry money and that is good enough for him.
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Post by jeremy on Mar 18, 2024 16:22:09 GMT -5
Qouting Lamar his first year in the league. I know Fields has been around 3 now but any team should be able to built around a player a bit more as he can make the throws and is one of the best running Qbs in the league. Fields has some qualities for sure, but Lamar Jackson was throwing much better than Justin Fields in his first 3 seasons. Justin will be able to win games for you, but I have my doubts that he will be a longterm solution. Even with bad coaching a QB shouldn't stagnate like that, he has seen NFL defenses now for 3 seasons and he didn't got better yet, sure a bad coaching staff doesn't help, but something you need to develop on your own. Don't underestimate the way that a bad coaching staff can get in the way of development. I don't think the Bears worked with his strengths and instead tried to force him into a gameplan. He obviously is very mobile and there were a TON of games in which they did not work with his athletic ability. Rolling the pocket for example. I am not saying Fields will be all pro, but I would not be shocked if he is a legit starter.
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Post by jeremyOG on Mar 18, 2024 18:09:35 GMT -5
Well the fact 31 other teams didn't really want Fields unless it was for peanuts speaks volumes on what his ceiling is. Was pretty hilarious watching the Bears go from asking for a 1st rd pick to getting a conditional 6th
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Post by Jugg on Mar 18, 2024 19:05:31 GMT -5
Well the fact 31 other teams didn't really want Fields unless it was for peanuts speaks volumes on what his ceiling is. Was pretty hilarious watching the Bears go from asking for a 1st rd pick to getting a conditional 6th Incorrect again. Four other teams inquired, with two of those teams offering more in return for Fields. He wanted to go to Pittsburgh and play for Mike Tomlin. The Bears accomodated him and granted him his wish, because he's been nothing but a professional during this whole process. Something Kenny Pickett wasn't. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/justin-fields-blocked-trades-with-four-teams-before-landing-with-steelers/ar-BB1k6k0b
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Post by jeremyOG on Mar 18, 2024 21:10:27 GMT -5
I don't know man, I kinda feel like that's just the bears PR team spinning it like they could have gotten more if they wanted too because they look like fools for asking for a 1st rd pick a month ago. NFL is a business and if better offers existed they would have taken them. There's no way other teams offered more than Steelers and they turned it down. There may have been a handful of teams interested, but they also were offering chump change for him because the market dictates his value
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Post by tzach on Mar 20, 2024 6:33:44 GMT -5
i can't see how the broncos gm survived this offseason, and how he would survive the next one. after trading the house for russ just to let him go for nothing and a dead money hit of 85M, he ships jeudy to cleveland. not a problem if he wants to clean the house, but he got a bag of chips when he'd have gotten at least a 2nd for him at the last season trade deadline. now the browns are extending jeudy as a top wr. interesting.
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Post by squirrel on Mar 20, 2024 7:05:14 GMT -5
Jeudy for Cleveland looks like it could be another deal like Amari Cooper for them. You can do a lot more with tracking data these days trying to quantify WR separation which seems to be the thing that matters...seeing as the Browns are a more data-driven franchise than most I wouldn't be surprised if Jeudy has good data
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Post by tzach on Mar 20, 2024 7:31:25 GMT -5
yeah absolutely, i think jeudy is top 10 in separation yds over expected. there's no reason he shouldn't produce like kupp or diggs, which i think it's why a lot of teams were high on him at the trade deadline last season. he most likely told the broncos that he wouldn't play without a new contract and the info quickly got to other teams. but not well played by the broncos, one could see this coming by a mile last season. also the timing sounds odd with no pending roster bonus etc -- why not hold onto him until the draft and maybe get a 2nd or 3rd from a desperate team?
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Post by dthompso8 on Mar 20, 2024 8:52:11 GMT -5
yeah absolutely, i think jeudy is top 10 in separation yds over expected. there's no reason he shouldn't produce like kupp or diggs, which i think it's why a lot of teams were high on him at the trade deadline last season. he most likely told the broncos that he wouldn't play without a new contract and the info quickly got to other teams. but not well played by the broncos, one could see this coming by a mile last season. also the timing sounds odd with no pending roster bonus etc -- why not hold onto him until the draft and maybe get a 2nd or 3rd from a desperate team? Wonder if they felt they had to move him before the draft due to the number of potentially good WR's in this class?
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Post by Bighouserulez on Mar 20, 2024 8:53:42 GMT -5
Denver is super low on picks i think they do not have a 2nd and 4 total picks.
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Post by dthompso8 on Mar 20, 2024 9:11:07 GMT -5
Denver is super low on picks i think they do not have a 2nd and 4 total picks. 5 picks last year, have 8 now this season but no 2nd. I think they thought with the draft class the market for trading a WR would only get worse as teams get excited about the rookies
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