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Post by rush27 on Dec 3, 2021 2:34:28 GMT -5
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Post by Nick on Dec 3, 2021 10:00:39 GMT -5
this is not a discussion the Packers are not interested in participating in this made up joke of some ones opinion of the greatest where someone irresponsibly declares at the very beginning, "no one qualifies" you have no criteria set. this a elitist disqualifying joke. You should look for ways to celebrate a career. your excuse is if you let 1 in you have to let the other in. really? one guy says nope and everyone follows suit. I will never support this, dont mention my guys ever again. I can’t believe I have to vote for Blades just to spite you. Yeah we need to talk about Blades to work out why he isn't good enough to be in the HOF.
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Post by ezlee2 on Dec 3, 2021 10:45:15 GMT -5
Yes, please break it down for the rest of us on how a QB that has won a bowl, ranks in the top outside of QBR which is GROSSLY overrated.
So please...break it down for us as his number outside of QBR are just as good (if not vastly better than Perry) unless it's all about bowl wins, but still, Blades has a ring and made it to another bowl, but did not get to play in it because he was injured. He ranks #3 attempts and #2 in completions only behind Puzz, #2 in yardage, #5 in TDs, #5 in 300-yard games. His story and impact on this league are every bit as meaningful as any QB that has graced this league including Puzz, Owen and Perry.
Oh, he also was named Blitz Bowl MVP and Legend of the Game. You can't overlook that and he ranks #4 in game played so he was an ironman to boot. If this is not a Hall of Fame (as voted by the GMs) candidate I don't know what is.
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Post by Joel on Dec 3, 2021 11:03:12 GMT -5
I think we really let ourselves down by letting in all those mediocre DBs.
I said it to Evan, I think Blades is conventional HOF. And we shouldn’t call this HOF, it should be a GOAT ring of honour, and to be a goat, you have to be the best of your era. Blades wasn’t that… he is HOF, just Not era goat worthy
Let’s stop calling this HOF
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Post by clown on Dec 3, 2021 11:09:07 GMT -5
I can’t believe I have to vote for Blades just to spite you. Yeah we need to talk about Blades to work out why he isn't good enough to be in the HOF. I like you Nick, we get along great. Let me tell you how stupid this comment is and why your so full of shit. 1. you have decided Blades isnt good enough. fine your thought go for it! 2. you have poisoned the well. you have already controlled the vote by your dumb ass comments. 3. shut the fuck up and let everyone else make up their own mind. then decide. This isn't RED ZONE HALL OF FAME This is your bag of shit. Im out. HOF RZB is a shit show
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Post by Nick on Dec 3, 2021 11:12:32 GMT -5
I don't worry too much what the NFL does. For me this is what the NFL HOF should of been.
I take it as a huge positive that people get so upset about this. That they care, is great.
My opinion and vote only counts as 1, the same as everyone else's. I am not impressed by volume, any fool can drop back 700 times a year. But that's just my opinion and others should absolutely have their opinion. That's why we have a panel.
I understand its crushing to some that their guy is not deemed HOF worthy. On the flip side that means the guys who do get in really are the shit. I guess that is no comfort if you no players in the HOF. This democratic process shows they are not good enough to make the cut. In time I think you will come to terms with that, maybe a decade or 2.
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Post by ezlee2 on Dec 3, 2021 11:24:09 GMT -5
If it's a democratic process let the committee come up with the names and let the GMs vote for it via poll. Then and ONLY then it's a shitshow as clown stated. It has nothing to do with being butthurt. It's about the lack of clearly defined criteria and a skewed process that involves less than a quarter of the league. I'm in agreement with Joel that this needs a different name so it's disassociated with the HOF. So let me know what you want it named and we can make the appropriate changes because this bullshit is just starting to really piss me off. It's an elitist attitude and something that I think can be extremely divisive.
I normally never flex my weight as commissioner, but this is a stance that I won't budge on and I don't give a shit how anyone feels about it. So you guys do you and celebrate what you want, but I am joining Shane in the boycott until a legitimate democratic process is in place. Until then, it's just the good old boys club grabbing at straws with more dice than the game itself as there is no consistency or clear standards.
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Post by Joel on Dec 3, 2021 11:25:06 GMT -5
Ok, I will be brutally honest Shane, I don't think Blades is good enough either. He is almost a carbon copy of Smith, but has the ring tbf.
If I were to make a list of QBs, in order of Goatedness, this would be it:
1. Marincic 2. Perry 3. Puzz 4. Hartman 5. Delcorio 6. Newton 7. Teddy 8. Wizzzzniewski 9. Smith 10. Blades
These are all HOF in my opinion. Only 2 of them are Goated though
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Post by Nick on Dec 3, 2021 11:52:23 GMT -5
Ok, I will be brutally honest Shane, I don't think Blades is good enough either. He is almost a carbon copy of Smith, but has the ring tbf. If I were to make a list of QBs, in order of Goatedness, this would be it: 1. Marincic 2. Perry 3. Puzz 4. Hartman 5. Delcorio 6. Newton 7. Teddy 8. Wizzzzniewski 9. Smith 10. Blades These are all HOF in my opinion. Only 2 of them are Goated though You are just trying to chill Rob out surely? Check the playoff stats on Perry versus Marincic. Just kidding, you entitled to your opinion. I think however we do this people will get hurt when their guy doesn't make it. If someone wants to "boycott" it, whatever that means I don't know, that's cool. Do you boycott it every year or is it just a once off thing? I thought you already boycotted it Rob? I have no problem if the whole league join the HOF panel. There is no elitism here. What I don't want is for people to vote who haven't put the time in to look at players closely. If you can put that time aside, please join. Only thing I ask is please be neutral and don't throw your toys out the pram if your guy doesn't make it.
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Post by Joel on Dec 3, 2021 11:55:29 GMT -5
Ok, I will be brutally honest Shane, I don't think Blades is good enough either. He is almost a carbon copy of Smith, but has the ring tbf. If I were to make a list of QBs, in order of Goatedness, this would be it: 1. Marincic 2. Perry 3. Puzz 4. Hartman 5. Delcorio 6. Newton 7. Teddy 8. Wizzzzniewski 9. Smith 10. Blades These are all HOF in my opinion. Only 2 of them are Goated though You are just trying to chill Rob out surely? Check the playoff stats on Perry versus Marincic. Just kidding, you entitled to your opinion. I think however we do this people will get hurt when their guy doesn't make it. If someone wants to "boycott" it, whatever that means I don't know, that's cool. Do you boycott it every year or is it just a once off thing? I thought you already boycotted it Rob? I have no problem if the whole league join the HOF panel. There is no elitism here. What I don't want is for people to vote who haven't put the time in to look at players closely. If you can put that time aside, please join. Only thing I ask is please be neutral and don't throw your toys out the pram if your guy doesn't make it. Honestly, I said it to Rob. You doing so well with Hartman and Causey hurts Perry’s rep imo…
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Post by Nick on Dec 3, 2021 11:58:29 GMT -5
Yeah I can see that point of view.
But thats what I like about this. I don't want to force a "clearly stated criteria" on anyone. Let everyone make their own criteria of what greatness is. I don't see that anyone should tell a selector what greatness is or how it should be judged.
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Post by clown on Dec 3, 2021 13:30:16 GMT -5
Yeah I can see that point of view. But thats what I like about this. I don't want to force a "clearly stated criteria" on anyone. Let everyone make their own criteria of what greatness is. I don't see that anyone should tell a selector what greatness is or how it should be judged. Are you blind to your own posts? ---Tell, what is, judge? you do all three things you say you dont do!!! with all the honor and dignity I can muster--- admit who you are so I can stop calling you out!
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Post by Nick on Dec 3, 2021 13:42:02 GMT -5
I have you a great suggestion. Let the committee nominate players and create a poll for GMs to vote. Completely takes your bias out of it as it drastically reduces the impact of your influence as it Carrie’s the weight of Jesus Christ for these guys. I’ve always thought the process for nominations was vastly superior to the actual vote.
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Post by Nick on Dec 3, 2021 13:47:36 GMT -5
Yeah I can see that point of view. But thats what I like about this. I don't want to force a "clearly stated criteria" on anyone. Let everyone make their own criteria of what greatness is. I don't see that anyone should tell a selector what greatness is or how it should be judged. Are you blind to your own posts? ---Tell, what is, judge? you do all three things you say you dont do!!! with all the honor and dignity I can muster--- admit who you are so I can stop calling you out!You are taking this a little too seriously Shane. We all have our opinions as selectors. As it turns out it doesn't seem Evan or Joel are on the Blades train either. Are we all blind to his ability? Biased? Or just considering him like we would any other player? Maybe your ties with the player are making you act like an unreasonable lunatic. But I love you all the same on a personal level. Rob wasn't too far off either at times. But I guess maybe something has to change as this should be fun. So I invite you to consider my previous post to consider how we should move forward.
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Post by ezlee2 on Dec 3, 2021 13:55:49 GMT -5
No, you can keep up with this project. I have no problem with it. My issue is that you discredit the in game stuff. Do what you want with this effort. Its your baby, but don’t get upset when folks disagree with you or speak there kind. Fuck, it’s frowned upon to even speak about your own guy. How fucked up is that? I mean, no one knows their players like the person that had them.
Regardless, we will just have to agree to disagree on this one and that’s okay. Sadly, society has come to a zero sum game that only one side can win. As I said, you do whatever you wish with this project and I’ll move forward with promoting the in game HOF as it tells a much more important story of the history of the league and cannot be minimized simply because you don’t like it.
So rebrand and let’s move on. Maybe Gridiron Gods? Gridiron GOATS? Or something in that vein? But there needs to be a clear separation as I’m more concerned with celebrating greatness as opposed to deifying a few individual players. Two different visions, both perfectly acceptable and capable of coexisting in the same league for sure.
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