|
Post by ezlee2 on Oct 9, 2023 9:47:44 GMT -5
I share in some of the disappointment on the lack of multi-player One thought, though - his idea that the eventual MP state would be server-based is a big takeaway that we haven't focused on as of yet. IMO, that's the way for this game to have a real future... the company/developer can make ongoing money and have pressure to keep game innovations coming if he moves away from the "sell razors" model, to the more promising "sell blades" model.He's a dinosaur, still thinking about selling 3,000 copies at $40 to clear $80K or somesuch. Instead, he ought to be thinking about developing a great game that 500 people want to play at a cost per season. Connect that to a nominal charge for each hosted season and it's the real winner for both seller and buyer, I think.This is the best statement I have seen regarding this shitty situation.
|
|
|
Post by clown on Oct 9, 2023 10:27:30 GMT -5
Lets talk Timeline. Feb 20 2021 Jim shuts it down. Jan 5 2023 Jim shows up at fofc wanting to talk FOF Oct 6 2023 Jim announces game coming -------------------------------- I wonder if he had signed papers staying out of the market for 2 years? So he could get all files from OOTP. We all knew their game (OOTP)was Non-Multiple Player. We RZB argued with OOTP for a week about no one wanting a Non-Multiplayer game ------------------------------- Clowns memory up until now.
|
|
|
Post by Joel on Oct 9, 2023 11:46:17 GMT -5
Looking at the pictures, it just looks like fof8 and all others with a new UI. Price of this game will largely determine how good I think it is. Probably a great £10 game but a poor £20+ game
|
|
W24olfpack
Franchise Owner
Bench Warmer
Vikings GM
Posts: 476
|
Post by W24olfpack on Oct 9, 2023 13:52:26 GMT -5
sorry wolf but i respectfully disagree. i have a much shorter experience interacting with jim and solecismic than most of you (2017 onwards), but in my case i've always had superb response time and good interaction with costumer support. good exchanges when doing bug reports etc. specifically regarding mp, i've filed some bug reports and i've only been able to play in some great historical leagues like ihof, rzb, tfl, cyfl etc due to jim's generosity of converting league files in a timely manner and for free.
(i don't mean to add another controversy to my rzb resume, but i felt these things should be pointed out)
His responsiveness to a group that essentially are alpha and beta testers doesn't necessarily reflect that he cares. Continually functionality for MP has been lacking. His greatest source of feedback and testing - gets kicked in the teeth again. Also - please note: This venom is directed at him, not you Zach. You know I have mad respect for ya.
|
|
tzach
Franchise Owner
Bench Warmer
Browns GM
Posts: 425
|
Post by tzach on Oct 9, 2023 14:55:45 GMT -5
sorry wolf but i respectfully disagree. i have a much shorter experience interacting with jim and solecismic than most of you (2017 onwards), but in my case i've always had superb response time and good interaction with costumer support. good exchanges when doing bug reports etc. specifically regarding mp, i've filed some bug reports and i've only been able to play in some great historical leagues like ihof, rzb, tfl, cyfl etc due to jim's generosity of converting league files in a timely manner and for free.
(i don't mean to add another controversy to my rzb resume, but i felt these things should be pointed out)
I don't think anyone would disagree that Jim created something that we all love and have spent countless hours enjoying and are very much grateful for. It's just disappointing for sure and to the long-timers to the game, it does feel like a betrayal considering that the MP community has been his greatest champions over the years. No way he makes it on Steam without us. Not even possible. Then he does and says he sold the code only to pop a SP game out of nowhere is a HUGE kick in the nuts IMO. I also agree that Jim did a ton of updates for free, but that is really the business model for games these days. Rush it out and patch, patch, patch... gamers are used to it at this point. Lastly, it's not our fault that he has had shoddy business practices for so long and allowed us to play the game for so long for $40. I would personally pay WAAAAY more considering the time and enjoyment this game has provided over the years, but I can't in good conscience give him any of my hard earned money (I'm of the opinion that you vote with your dollar) on this endeavor. Yeah, there might not be an FOF10 if he doesn't make enough from FOF9, but I never expected FOF9, so I'm not going to reward him for producing a product that I won't play based on past experiences with the old game. I can appreciate those that are, but I just don't have it in me. I can also appreciate those of you that have a different perspective and want to support him with this, but for me... I can only say FUCK FOF9 and Fuck Jim for not adding MP. There I said it, and I'll say it again and again because someone needs to and I have no problem banging the drum. You all know, I have plenty of asshole in me. I just chose not to have that Rob make an appearance these days, but he's coming back with a vengeance on this one. For the record, I love you Zach (you should know that by now) and you're welcome to speak your mind with no judgement on my end as our the rest of the GMs of this fine league that we have thanks to Jim Gindin.
i appreciate your honesty and being direct, rob -- and the love is reciprocal
|
|
|
Post by clown on Oct 9, 2023 15:08:41 GMT -5
I think its much much more than fof8. !!!!!!!!
|
|
tzach
Franchise Owner
Bench Warmer
Browns GM
Posts: 425
|
Post by tzach on Oct 9, 2023 16:42:41 GMT -5
that's my feeling as well -- i'd expect changes under the hood to the engine, etc. but for SP the key point remains AI and how good it can manage the cap, draft, trade, gameplan etc
|
|
|
Post by Joel on Oct 9, 2023 17:28:41 GMT -5
that's my feeling as well -- i'd expect changes under the hood to the engine, etc. but for SP the key point remains AI and how good it can manage the cap, draft, trade, gameplan etc This is where the underlying sp issue is. Doesn’t matter how well he gets the game mechanic under the hood, if the other franchises cant manage a team, make good trades. The player will always end up dominating
|
|
Red Zone
Franchise Owner
Rookie
Falcons GM
Posts: 176
|
Post by Red Zone on Oct 9, 2023 21:21:50 GMT -5
I play FOF to interact with humans. If I wanted a single player game there are much better options for my time over a single player texted based game. Sorry, this is fucked up plain and simple. Jim would have never even made it on steam if not for the green-light campaign that was spearheaded by the MP players. Not to mention he used MP Players to test this new game. I wonder if they knew there would be no MP before they agreed to help him. #zero interest in single player
|
|
tzach
Franchise Owner
Bench Warmer
Browns GM
Posts: 425
|
Post by tzach on Oct 10, 2023 2:38:10 GMT -5
that's my feeling as well -- i'd expect changes under the hood to the engine, etc. but for SP the key point remains AI and how good it can manage the cap, draft, trade, gameplan etc This is where the underlying sp issue is. Doesn’t matter how well he gets the game mechanic under the hood, if the other franchises cant manage a team, make good trades. The player will always end up dominating
absolutely -- imo the key point for having a competitive team, human or AI, is talent acquisition (draft, trades) and management (cap, cut, trades). if you are top 25% of the league in talent at the right positions for your system, a rex guided playbook and gameplan will be enough for being a 10-6 team, assuming you don't do anything crazy with the play call conditions.
that's why i have high hopes for the new game -- an improved talent acquisition and management module for the AI is not so difficult to code. while it's ultra difficult to program the AI to gameplan like the top 10% of mp players, that's really not needed for enhanced game play.
|
|
tzach
Franchise Owner
Bench Warmer
Browns GM
Posts: 425
|
Post by tzach on Oct 10, 2023 2:41:20 GMT -5
sorry wolf but i respectfully disagree. i have a much shorter experience interacting with jim and solecismic than most of you (2017 onwards), but in my case i've always had superb response time and good interaction with costumer support. good exchanges when doing bug reports etc. specifically regarding mp, i've filed some bug reports and i've only been able to play in some great historical leagues like ihof, rzb, tfl, cyfl etc due to jim's generosity of converting league files in a timely manner and for free.
(i don't mean to add another controversy to my rzb resume, but i felt these things should be pointed out)
His responsiveness to a group that essentially are alpha and beta testers doesn't necessarily reflect that he cares. Continually functionality for MP has been lacking. His greatest source of feedback and testing - gets kicked in the teeth again. Also - please note: This venom is directed at him, not you Zach. You know I have mad respect for ya.
likewise wolf, mad respect for you my friend!
for the record -- i've never been a tester. i see some nice qbr in one of the fof9 screenshots and that's not my fault
|
|
Red Zone
Franchise Owner
Rookie
Falcons GM
Posts: 176
|
Post by Red Zone on Oct 10, 2023 9:59:39 GMT -5
Quote: Originally Posted by albionmoonlight View Post "Well, I just got my fullback 3,000 yards from scrimmage this season."
Apparently the new game’s AI hasn’t improved very much ROFLMFAO
|
|
|
Post by Adam Schefter on Oct 10, 2023 10:40:53 GMT -5
Quote: Originally Posted by albionmoonlight View Post "Well, I just got my fullback 3,000 yards from scrimmage this season." Apparently the new game’s AI hasn’t improved very much ROFLMFAO Has it been released, i'm not seeing a price or anything on steam?
|
|
tzach
Franchise Owner
Bench Warmer
Browns GM
Posts: 425
|
Post by tzach on Oct 10, 2023 11:13:11 GMT -5
Quote: Originally Posted by albionmoonlight View Post "Well, I just got my fullback 3,000 yards from scrimmage this season." Apparently the new game’s AI hasn’t improved very much ROFLMFAO Has it been released, i'm not seeing a price or anything on steam?
no, the full joke from albi is on ihof
Ben 1 week in: "Wow. This is providing a new challenge. SP might be enough for me after all."
Ben 3 weeks in: "Well, I just got my fullback 3,000 yards from scrimmage this season. I guess I'll stay in FOF8 MP after all."
|
|
W24olfpack
Franchise Owner
Bench Warmer
Vikings GM
Posts: 476
|
Post by W24olfpack on Oct 10, 2023 11:34:35 GMT -5
Has it been released, i'm not seeing a price or anything on steam?
no, the full joke from albi is on ihof
Ben 1 week in: "Wow. This is providing a new challenge. SP might be enough for me after all."
Ben 3 weeks in: "Well, I just got my fullback 3,000 yards from scrimmage this season. I guess I'll stay in FOF8 MP after all."
FOF Multiplayer Community: "We Void Warranties"
|
|