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Post by dt86 on Aug 2, 2022 22:28:58 GMT -5
It seems like every league I inherit a team set in T34 that I invariably move to some 43 variant in order to make sure I can define each players roles to the highest degree. Why do I do this rather than stick with a 34 that so many established players seem to (or even actually do) excel with? Mostly for 1 of 2 reasons.
First, the WLB/LCB bug with regards to 2-/3+ WR offensive personnel on 3/long. I won't go into this any further because this just seems to be a bug with the game that can't be avoided (please let me know if I'm wrong on this, as I haven't seen anything to the contrary so far).
Second though, and what I feel like is a failing on my part, is my inability to get a WLB to blitz in a T34 scheme (or in a more general sense, an effective 34 LB blitzer). My rudimentary knowledge of football tells me that a WLB in a 34 scheme should blitz the most out of the LB corp. The language in the defensive philosophy section of the FOF8 help file tells me a WLB in a 34 scheme should blitz the most out of the LB corp. The blitz plan help tells me a... SLB???... should blitz more than other LBers. I'm confused, but WLB gets the vocal majority so I set the blitz weight on my WLB to 9 and see him dropping into coverage the vast majority (if not all) of the time. Is 9 bugged? Is WLB bugged? Am I bugged? Did the blitz plan tell me the truth and I'm foolish for looking elsewhere? Am I right in looking to move to the 43? Is the 34 clearly superior in a way that my pea-sized brain simply can't comprehend? Have these questions been answered more times than a mortal can ask them? Will our heros prevail next week? Do I have any more questions I can add to the end of this BS? Is there a reason that ezlee thought I should be invited (because it's definitely not clear)?
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Post by julioriddols on Aug 3, 2022 5:10:59 GMT -5
What is the WLB/LCB bug?
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Post by bylanta on Aug 3, 2022 5:39:26 GMT -5
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Post by julioriddols on Aug 3, 2022 5:40:33 GMT -5
Whoa, is this only in the 3-4? The LCB lines up at WLB in the 3-4 against certain personnel on 3rd down?
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Post by bylanta on Aug 3, 2022 5:46:00 GMT -5
Whoa, is this only in the 3-4? The LCB lines up at WLB in the 3-4 against certain personnel on 3rd down? no, it's not a 3-4 issue. happens in 4-3 as well It's also not relegated to only third and long or only formations outside of 113
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Post by julioriddols on Aug 3, 2022 5:54:17 GMT -5
Wow, when was this discovered?
I should start lining up my LCB at LB then? When does this come into play exactly? My mind is blown.
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Post by bylanta on Aug 3, 2022 5:58:30 GMT -5
Wow, when was this discovered? I should start lining up my LCB at LB then? When does this come into play exactly? My mind is blown. I like to have a "big nickel" DB for these type of situations if you are playing someone who makes these happen a lot. Play them at LCB, and your true LCB at RCB. So when it comes up you get a big nickel DB playing LB and your actual LCB playing CB
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Post by julioriddols on Aug 3, 2022 6:05:50 GMT -5
Damn, so it can happen any time you're in the nickel? Is this just what happens when a team runs 2 or fewer WR against nickel personnel? I do know the game allows for that on 3rd downs especially. Ben loves using that shit.
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Post by bylanta on Aug 3, 2022 6:14:19 GMT -5
Not just nickel tbh. Some people theorize it's just a gamelog issue and not actually a gameplay issue. Whatever it is, I don't think we will ever get a true answer or solution.
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Post by murph on Aug 3, 2022 6:15:06 GMT -5
If you go through your logs, you'll see it. Like bylanta said, it happens in 4-3 as well.
As for blitzing, you set the WLB for 9, what setting did you give other positions? When I set to 9 and all others to 1 the WLB blitzes the majority of the time (I'd go with 75%-80%) on single player blitzes.
Other blitzing notes. The best reason to blitz in 3-4 is that you can blitz from different spots on the line, keeping the offense off guard. On another note, I've extensively tested blitzing, and unlike real life, it's more risk than reward. When you blitz, you see an increase in what Nick calls 'dice roll' plays. While EVERY play is based on a dice roll, these are the plays that don't happen often. Big play for a TD, sack, INT, fumble... all more likely when you blitz. As a HUGE fan of blitzing, I rarely blitz in FOF because the risk:reward ratio seems to be too high for my risk tolerance.
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Post by dt86 on Aug 3, 2022 6:28:25 GMT -5
Whoa, is this only in the 3-4? The LCB lines up at WLB in the 3-4 against certain personnel on 3rd down? no, it's not a 3-4 issue. happens in 4-3 as well It's also not relegated to only third and long or only formations outside of 113 Sorry, didn't mean to imply this was only a 34 issue, more that it is (to me at least) more of an issue in the 34 because there's an expectation that you will be blitzing more from it than you would from a 43. I think the more accurate way for me to have stated it is that the LCB plays (or is reported as playing) WLB on 3/long plays run from 2 or fewer WR sets and the WLB plays (same caveat) LCB on 3/short in 3 or more WR sets.
I think I stated that right.
Also my initial post is why shouldn't post while drinking, but that's yet another aside.
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Post by dt86 on Aug 3, 2022 6:32:42 GMT -5
If you go through your logs, you'll see it. Like bylanta said, it happens in 4-3 as well. As for blitzing, you set the WLB for 9, what setting did you give other positions? When I set to 9 and all others to 1 the WLB blitzes the majority of the time (I'd go with 75%-80%) on single player blitzes. Other blitzing notes. The best reason to blitz in 3-4 is that you can blitz from different spots on the line, keeping the offense off guard. On another note, I've extensively tested blitzing, and unlike real life, it's more risk than reward. When you blitz, you see an increase in what Nick calls 'dice roll' plays. While EVERY play is based on a dice roll, these are the plays that don't happen often. Big play for a TD, sack, INT, fumble... all more likely when you blitz. As a HUGE fan of blitzing, I rarely blitz in FOF because the risk:reward ratio seems to be too high for my risk tolerance. So, my last 34 team was probably a year...ish ago, but I believe I had one other LB that I wanted to blitz set to a 4 or 5 and everyone else set at 1. I've never really tried a heavy drop 8 type defense with a 34, but it sounds like it might be time to give that a try.
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Post by tzach on Aug 3, 2022 6:53:36 GMT -5
Dt joining the league in style!
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Post by julioriddols on Aug 3, 2022 6:59:10 GMT -5
I need to become a beaver so I can pay more attention to these logs.
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Post by Nick on Aug 3, 2022 9:26:24 GMT -5
There are several issues with the game. It is what it is. Lack of control over blitzing is a real headache. I doubt it works as intended.
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