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Post by bylanta on May 4, 2022 9:43:22 GMT -5
Thanks Joel and Nick for another good listen. Makes my commute go by faster everytime
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Post by wackad00 on May 4, 2022 11:11:30 GMT -5
If you look at the top 3 back as a whole it is not the running that sets Wilbanks apart. Jonathan Wilbanks - Carries 416 for 1925 & 7 TDs...........Receiving - 66 for 604 & 7 TDs Stephen Middleton - Carries 403 for 1794 & 6 TDs...........Receiving - 0 Brett Sakowski - Carries 361 for 1675 & 10 TDs..............Receiving - 32 for 286 & 2 TDs For me a critical figure is missed, ypt. A RB could gain 2000 yards receiving, but if the ypt is 5.1 I would suggest that is hurting the team. A net negative on the passing game. This I suspect is due to the routes I have him running rather than his ability. I think if I was to have him playing out of another WR position rather than routes out of the backfield I would see his YPT increase. This is definitely still a work in progress with regards to my using him to his fullest potential.
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Post by bylanta on May 4, 2022 12:03:35 GMT -5
If you look at the top 3 back as a whole it is not the running that sets Wilbanks apart. Jonathan Wilbanks - Carries 416 for 1925 & 7 TDs...........Receiving - 66 for 604 & 7 TDs Stephen Middleton - Carries 403 for 1794 & 6 TDs...........Receiving - 0 Brett Sakowski - Carries 361 for 1675 & 10 TDs..............Receiving - 32 for 286 & 2 TDs For me a critical figure is missed, ypt. A RB could gain 2000 yards receiving, but if the ypt is 5.1 I would suggest that is hurting the team. A net negative on the passing game. I don't pass to Middleton as I don't believe I can break 7.0 with him. I think I can with my FB, so will bring him in to my passing game now he has developed. I think Wilbanks performance as rusher was superior all things considered. His endurance is quite a bit better. I would love the bigger bar on Middleton. This had got me wondering. . does YPA account for completion percentage? If a rb is getting 6 ypa at 75%, is it equal to 4.5 yards a carry? To me there's some amount of chain moving value. Though its more philosophical than quantitative. To use another side of the extreme, would you be happy throwing to a wr catching 30% of his targets but still hitting 7 ypa? Just curious what people think of this
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Post by Nick on May 4, 2022 14:31:17 GMT -5
For me a critical figure is missed, ypt. A RB could gain 2000 yards receiving, but if the ypt is 5.1 I would suggest that is hurting the team. A net negative on the passing game. I don't pass to Middleton as I don't believe I can break 7.0 with him. I think I can with my FB, so will bring him in to my passing game now he has developed. I think Wilbanks performance as rusher was superior all things considered. His endurance is quite a bit better. I would love the bigger bar on Middleton. This had got me wondering. . does YPA account for completion percentage? If a rb is getting 6 ypa at 75%, is it equal to 4.5 yards a carry? To me there's some amount of chain moving value. Though its more philosophical than quantitative. To use another side of the extreme, would you be happy throwing to a wr catching 30% of his targets but still hitting 7 ypa? Just curious what people think of this It would be 6 yards every time the RB is targetted as an average. So 6 ypc if I understand the question. But you have to also consider the extra bad stuff that applies. Sacks won't be factored in as a pass isn't thrown. Picks won't be factored in. The other thing would be a likely increase in volatility of the yardage. For example... Passing: 12, 0, 2, 6 - 5 ypa. Rushing: 7, 3, 4, 6 - 5 ypc. Both 20 yards on 4 attempts but I would much sooner have the low vol yardage. At 30% reception rate I would want 10 ypa. Sacks and picks would be coming at a relatively high rate. Plenty of 0 yardage plays.
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Post by Nick on May 4, 2022 14:50:58 GMT -5
For me a critical figure is missed, ypt. A RB could gain 2000 yards receiving, but if the ypt is 5.1 I would suggest that is hurting the team. A net negative on the passing game. This I suspect is due to the routes I have him running rather than his ability. I think if I was to have him playing out of another WR position rather than routes out of the backfield I would see his YPT increase. This is definitely still a work in progress with regards to my using him to his fullest potential. Yeah, pass routes will play in for sure. In Misc Pass Offense it looks like 5.75 is average for short passes. 6.85 for medium. 8.2 for long passes. If I can get 7.0 out of a RB/FB and 8.0 out of a WR/TE I will figure he has done well. I got 9.39 out of my FB off of 31 targets last year, maybe good dice. I want to increase that to around 80-100 targets this season. I will be okay with 7 and delighted with anything above 8.0.
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Post by ManWithNoName on May 4, 2022 15:28:05 GMT -5
Whenever looking at players, I think you should generally ignore the results or their stats and trust what you see with their skill set. If a guy is really over performing or under performing what you’d expect from a guy with his skills, it’s probably nothing to do with him but with the players around him or the gameplan implemented for him.
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Post by squirrel on May 4, 2022 15:59:23 GMT -5
Whenever looking at players, I think you should generally ignore the results or their stats and trust what you see with their skill set. If a guy is really over performing or under performing what you’d expect from a guy with his skills, it’s probably nothing to do with him but with the players around him or the gameplan implemented for him. Unless the name is Rico Sharp
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Post by ManWithNoName on May 4, 2022 16:09:33 GMT -5
Whenever looking at players, I think you should generally ignore the results or their stats and trust what you see with their skill set. If a guy is really over performing or under performing what you’d expect from a guy with his skills, it’s probably nothing to do with him but with the players around him or the gameplan implemented for him. Unless the name is Rico Sharp Haha, always some outliers. Might have been something to do with that 0 medium passing bar that Rico had but I don't know. Between Strubbel and you guys, if Rico was ever going to prove himself it would have happened.
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Post by clown on May 5, 2022 11:47:40 GMT -5
What is wrong with this guy
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Post by clown on May 5, 2022 11:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by ManWithNoName on May 5, 2022 12:20:19 GMT -5
Without knowing more, probably the gameplan or the players around him.
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Post by jeremy on May 5, 2022 12:59:21 GMT -5
I had a very high overall qb in another league. I am talking he maxed at like 90. Never felt like I got greatness out of him. I will first and foremost say gameplanning could have been an issue, but he also had a very low timing bar, and I struggled to get him above 60% completions. I think that has an impact on even being able to complete short passes effectively.
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Post by clown on May 5, 2022 13:46:40 GMT -5
The dude is a pc. Of Sh!t
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Post by grimmer on May 6, 2022 0:37:01 GMT -5
For me a critical figure is missed, ypt. A RB could gain 2000 yards receiving, but if the ypt is 5.1 I would suggest that is hurting the team. A net negative on the passing game. This I suspect is due to the routes I have him running rather than his ability. I think if I was to have him playing out of another WR position rather than routes out of the backfield I would see his YPT increase. This is definitely still a work in progress with regards to my using him to his fullest potential. Nope. Don't play him at WR. Instead concentrate on targets running or receiving at the goal line and in red zone. TD's matter and I suspect he can get 10-15 receiving.
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Post by ezlee2 on May 6, 2022 7:56:32 GMT -5
The dude is a pc. Of Sh!t We can talk trade...
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