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Post by KO on Oct 27, 2018 13:46:43 GMT -5
On thing I DO know is that the game isn't applying half files. That's just simply not the way the file import works. It's an all or nothing proposition. There is either something set wrong on the users system or a blanket setting on Rob's system that would cause an override to GM supplied plans. The question then is, why isn't it happening to everyone? That would indicate 'user' system to me, in the absence of additional evidence. That said, I'm relatively sure those reporting this know very well what their multi player game settings should be, so that makes that improbable, as well.
Other theory.... If this issue reared its head AFTER 8.2 patch, perhaps there is new logic in the code that isn't explained or apparent. I do know that in OOTP Baseball there are managers (think 'coaches' for FOF purposes) of sufficient skill/reputation that WILL NOT allow the GM to make changes to certain aspects of their philosophies or plans. Perhaps that's where Play Calling ability now comes back in. Both of Nick's coordinators are excellent play callers though, so not sure why it would happen on defense but not offense.
On the other hand, it's doubtful that Jim put in all this extra game plan guidance only to have certain coordinators silently toss it out the window. So, we can probably toss out all of the above with the exception of the 'half file' statement. That part I stand by.
Thanks for reading this far.
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Post by WilleB on Oct 27, 2018 14:17:35 GMT -5
There are times when the FTP won't pull all the files. Sometimes it drags and could just timeout. I don't double check every sim (though I probably should), but the tracker does still hold them if they weren't used so you can tell if you look. I do think something like that occurred week 17, but unsure for the playoff games. The debacle vs. Dallas had me disinterested so I didn't bother to check log or box score. I was having some issues with anti-virus/Chrome not accepting a Steam update a few months ago. It even deleted the exe of the game without warning. I was forced to delete everything and start fresh. I no longer use Chrome and haven't had any issues or any reported.
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Post by jeremy on Oct 27, 2018 14:22:39 GMT -5
There are times when the FTP won't pull all the files. Sometimes it drags and could just timeout. I don't double check every sim (though I probably should), but the tracker does still hold them if they weren't used so you can tell if you look. I do think something like that occurred week 17, but unsure for the playoff games. I wondered about this, actually. Who knows...
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Post by KO on Oct 27, 2018 14:27:39 GMT -5
Even in that case, though, wouldn't the commish get the message that the process timed out and/or the in game report would show the ones missed as 'not submitted'?
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Post by WilleB on Oct 27, 2018 14:30:11 GMT -5
Even in that case, though, wouldn't the commish get the message that the process timed out and/or the in game report would show the ones missed as 'not submitted'? No, the game doesn't do that. It will just show what was pulled from the server. Might check w Rob and see if you have to re-install. If so, it could be a setting as they do default on a new install.
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Post by thefatcat on Oct 27, 2018 14:41:58 GMT -5
Even in that case, though, wouldn't the commish get the message that the process timed out and/or the in game report would show the ones missed as 'not submitted'? No, the game doesn't do that. It will just show what was pulled from the server. Might check w Rob and see if you have to re-install. If so, it could be a setting as they do default on a new install. Wille are the files pulled in any order, by size, team number date or is it just random, thanks?
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Post by Nick on Oct 27, 2018 14:42:42 GMT -5
Considering html has been timing out this sounds like the problem then.
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Post by WilleB on Oct 27, 2018 15:12:31 GMT -5
No, the game doesn't do that. It will just show what was pulled from the server. Might check w Rob and see if you have to re-install. If so, it could be a setting as they do default on a new install. Wille are the files pulled in any order, by size, team number date or is it just random, thanks? Have no clue what order.
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Post by WilleB on Oct 27, 2018 15:16:20 GMT -5
Considering html has been timing out this sounds like the problem then. Since I moved and my internet signal here is 10x faster, I've not timed out once, as far as HTML's are concerned. It could also be the server. Not sure at what time other leagues sim, but I'd imagine RZB is the only one simming that early in the morning, so that may not be an issue.
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Post by thefatcat on Oct 27, 2018 15:20:10 GMT -5
Wille are the files pulled in any order, by size, team number date or is it just random, thanks? Have no clue what order. I was just wondering becasue if they are pulled in a particular order then you would guess it would be the teams to be pulled last that gets the issue if in fact this is the issue. I guess moving forward if Rob is not checking to see if any files are left behind he will do now. So i guess we move on and see if Rob spots this in the future?
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Post by WilleB on Oct 27, 2018 15:21:55 GMT -5
Check back later tonight. Have Illinois/Maryland today. I did put in a file. If Rob names his screenshots the same each time, that could be a reason why we're not seeing the current stage. Sometimes even though you over rite it, it doesn't show up on the server if he's using file zilla. Another reason I write mine manually, it seems faster.
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Post by WilleB on Oct 27, 2018 15:23:20 GMT -5
I was just wondering becasue if they are pulled in a particular order then you would guess it would be the teams to be pulled last that gets the issue if in fact this is the issue. I guess moving forward if Rob is not checking to see if any files are left behind he will do now. So i guess we move on and see if Rob spots this in the future? We just need to wait and see if it's settings, the ftp or the tracker.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 21:31:47 GMT -5
When I was simming, I always downloaded a copy of the imports folder to my desktop before starting. Then I would compare the number of files in that folder to how many files imported into the game. Having one file (or more) not import is a real possibility. It could be any file. Ive seen it many times and I'm sure just about anyone who has simmed has also seen it at some point...I don't think there is any rhyme or reason to how files get imported. Over writing files can produce errors too, as WilleB said, but that wouldn't affect which files imported, only what we see in forum posts. This could explain fatcat's comment that he did upload and his file did get used, even though the screenshot showed him not uploading. I would suggest naming the screenshots with the week # in the title to eliminate that problem. This way it has to save and it has to show on the server...you can always delete the screenshots for the current season at seasons end, to eliminate clutter. It looks like Rob is very thorough when he sims, so my guess would be that its a problem with the game having a hiccup every once in a while and not importing all the files. Best way for GMs to verify this is to check the file tracker before you even import the new file. If your file is still showing then it didn't get used. The Tracker is a read only utility now, so if it shows files still on the server after the sim, its very likely that those files were not imported. Rob's Best bet is probably what I said above...use filezilla to download a copy of the imports folder before simming and compare how many files import. If files are missing you already have them sitting there on your desktop and can easily copy and paste into your imports folder in the game before simming.
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Post by rush27 on Oct 28, 2018 2:21:03 GMT -5
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Post by dthompso8 on Nov 6, 2018 4:44:17 GMT -5
When I was simming, I always downloaded a copy of the imports folder to my desktop before starting. Then I would compare the number of files in that folder to how many files imported into the game. That's what I do for the RealDeal League.. If the numbers don't match I redo the import.
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