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Post by ezlee2 on Jul 16, 2023 16:59:25 GMT -5
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Post by ManWithNoName on Jul 16, 2023 18:09:49 GMT -5
I would think that zone would be very important for a strong safety but in my experience it hasn't mattered. I've been running Kelly Korth at SS and he held up pretty well there despite a 0 zone bar. Career 79.2 PDPct (which is what stat I prefer to use when evaluating DBs. It's like QB rating for defensive backs.) That's the exact same rating Pip's safety had with a 60+ zone bar. Now my new SS Tristan O'Neill has a 80.1 career rating and he also has a 0 zone bar.
One thing I would like to test at some point is seeing how much having a bunch of high zone LBs would help a defense. I had Juan Elling on my team this year with as my only good zone LB and if you were targeting him you were making a mistake. Had 2 INTs and 10 deflections while only allowing 20 catches. If all my LBs held up that well in coverage I think we'd be very difficult to pass against.
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Post by hildebrand on Jul 16, 2023 18:32:51 GMT -5
Fun show guys. Way to go Shane and JJ for carrying it through the technical difficulties.
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Post by bylanta on Jul 17, 2023 2:37:55 GMT -5
Biggest cast of characters yet? Another fun listen, thanks to all who made it happen
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Post by mellman on Jul 17, 2023 11:55:33 GMT -5
I would think that zone would be very important for a strong safety but in my experience it hasn't mattered. I've been running Kelly Korth at SS and he held up pretty well there despite a 0 zone bar. Career 79.2 PDPct (which is what stat I prefer to use when evaluating DBs. It's like QB rating for defensive backs.) That's the exact same rating Pip's safety had with a 60+ zone bar. Now my new SS Tristan O'Neill has a 80.1 career rating and he also has a 0 zone bar. One thing I would like to test at some point is seeing how much having a bunch of high zone LBs would help a defense. I had Juan Elling on my team this year with as my only good zone LB and if you were targeting him you were making a mistake. Had 2 INTs and 10 deflections while only allowing 20 catches. If all my LBs held up that well in coverage I think we'd be very difficult to pass against. This reminded me of an LB I had for my first 2 seasons in this league, Leonardo Shaw (unfortunately Denver outbid me in FA). He's got 15 RD but had great Zone and look at his last year on my team in 2056 (sort of makes me wonder if there is a 'contract year' modifier where players play out of their mind for a season lol -  Another good show guys! Great to hear from guys like Pip, JJ and Landshark - good to put faces/voices to these usernames. Well done Clown and JJ for the ad-libbing during the tech difficulties and shoutout to Rob, Simon and Clown for their work on putting this together - hoping to come on once the bowl is out the way and the middling teams that went 8-8 will be more relevant again! |
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Post by Adam Schefter on Jul 17, 2023 12:03:39 GMT -5
I would think that zone would be very important for a strong safety but in my experience it hasn't mattered. I've been running Kelly Korth at SS and he held up pretty well there despite a 0 zone bar. Career 79.2 PDPct (which is what stat I prefer to use when evaluating DBs. It's like QB rating for defensive backs.) That's the exact same rating Pip's safety had with a 60+ zone bar. Now my new SS Tristan O'Neill has a 80.1 career rating and he also has a 0 zone bar. One thing I would like to test at some point is seeing how much having a bunch of high zone LBs would help a defense. I had Juan Elling on my team this year with as my only good zone LB and if you were targeting him you were making a mistake. Had 2 INTs and 10 deflections while only allowing 20 catches. If all my LBs held up that well in coverage I think we'd be very difficult to pass against. Another good show guys! Great to hear from guys like Pip, JJ and Landshark - good to put faces/voices to these usernames. Well done Clown and JJ for the ad-libbing during the tech difficulties and shoutout to Rob, Simon and Clown for their work on putting this together - hoping to come on once the bowl is out the way and the middling teams that went 8-8 will be more relevant again! I can see a job offer for PR Director coming your way soon , thank you  |
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Post by Sawblade300 on Jul 17, 2023 12:07:32 GMT -5
Great video once again fellas. It's fun listening to it AFTER the games have been played and seeing who was right and who was wrong. Everyone's bracket is shot with the Chiefs losing today. lol.
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Post by Bighouserulez on Jul 17, 2023 14:45:33 GMT -5
I would think that zone would be very important for a strong safety but in my experience it hasn't mattered. I've been running Kelly Korth at SS and he held up pretty well there despite a 0 zone bar. Career 79.2 PDPct (which is what stat I prefer to use when evaluating DBs. It's like QB rating for defensive backs.) That's the exact same rating Pip's safety had with a 60+ zone bar. Now my new SS Tristan O'Neill has a 80.1 career rating and he also has a 0 zone bar. One thing I would like to test at some point is seeing how much having a bunch of high zone LBs would help a defense. I had Juan Elling on my team this year with as my only good zone LB and if you were targeting him you were making a mistake. Had 2 INTs and 10 deflections while only allowing 20 catches. If all my LBs held up that well in coverage I think we'd be very difficult to pass against. OK could this matter on how each player is placed on defense, blitzes, and the opposed offense more then anything? I always have the hardest time getting good numbers out of a zone heavy cornerback or a BNR/M2M safety on my defense. You will see me grab those random 70 rated zone guys with very little coverage skills and get high end pass defense ratings out of them in my defense. I love M2M mainly as the most important thing at CB and could care less at FS or SS. Intrigued by this FYI. |
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Post by tzach on Jul 18, 2023 1:49:41 GMT -5
individual player evaluation remains a challenge in fof, in particular on defense
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Post by ManWithNoName on Jul 18, 2023 2:17:20 GMT -5
I would think that zone would be very important for a strong safety but in my experience it hasn't mattered. I've been running Kelly Korth at SS and he held up pretty well there despite a 0 zone bar. Career 79.2 PDPct (which is what stat I prefer to use when evaluating DBs. It's like QB rating for defensive backs.) That's the exact same rating Pip's safety had with a 60+ zone bar. Now my new SS Tristan O'Neill has a 80.1 career rating and he also has a 0 zone bar. One thing I would like to test at some point is seeing how much having a bunch of high zone LBs would help a defense. I had Juan Elling on my team this year with as my only good zone LB and if you were targeting him you were making a mistake. Had 2 INTs and 10 deflections while only allowing 20 catches. If all my LBs held up that well in coverage I think we'd be very difficult to pass against. OK could this matter on how each player is placed on defense, blitzes, and the opposed offense more then anything? I always have the hardest time getting good numbers out of a zone heavy cornerback or a BNR/M2M safety on my defense. You will see me grab those random 70 rated zone guys with very little coverage skills and get high end pass defense ratings out of them in my defense. I love M2M mainly as the most important thing at CB and could care less at FS or SS. Intrigued by this FYI. I started rexing a lot of my defensive gameplans just in case I'd become too predictable there so I'm not sure about anything gameplan specific. But I do usually take O'Neill out for long third downs or against 4/5 WR formations. I'm not sure whether that would affect his passing defense numbers too much. I probably did the same thing with Korth for most of his career and used a DB with better zone in those situations. |
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Post by Bighouserulez on Jul 18, 2023 10:36:55 GMT -5
OK could this matter on how each player is placed on defense, blitzes, and the opposed offense more then anything? I always have the hardest time getting good numbers out of a zone heavy cornerback or a BNR/M2M safety on my defense. You will see me grab those random 70 rated zone guys with very little coverage skills and get high end pass defense ratings out of them in my defense. I love M2M mainly as the most important thing at CB and could care less at FS or SS. Intrigued by this FYI. I started rexing a lot of my defensive gameplans just in case I'd become too predictable there so I'm not sure about anything gameplan specific. But I do usually take O'Neill out for long third downs or against 4/5 WR formations. I'm not sure whether that would affect his passing defense numbers too much. I probably did the same thing with Korth for most of his career and used a DB with better zone in those situations. I almost always build a defense off of Rex so i get it. Taking him out probably takes him out in those major zone situations so that does make a ton of sense. |
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Post by tzach on Jul 18, 2023 12:28:16 GMT -5
great show, thanks for sharing the video guys. this was a fun listen -- the playoffs look wide open
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Post by julioriddols on Jul 20, 2023 7:10:07 GMT -5
I think on defense it is all dependent on what you do. If you play a lot of 2 and 3 deep safety looks, you probably want a SS that has good zone bars. If you play a lot of 1 deep and buzz stuff, you want him to be a more man to man guy. You can build a group that suits a particular scheme well on defense and just run that all the time and dare offenses to beat you at your best game, or you can try for versatility and run a varied scheme focused on creating confusion, but you have to be more willing to adjust with a group like that when injuries hit because you won't always have a guy who can step in and play another guys role. I think when you lack talent on defense you have to find a way to create negative plays in order to be effective. You have to really work to make a bad defense play well, but you can get them somewhere near average if you can balance when to be super aggressive and when not to.
I think the only universal truth for me on defense right now is that the most valuable piece of the whole thing is the front line (in the 4-3 at least - Probably LB in the 3-4). They set the tone, everyone else works off the disruption they cause. If they can play both the run and the pass, you can do so much more on the back end too. I think a good 4-3 secondary makes a pass rush a little better, but a good 4-3 pass rush makes the secondary a lot better.
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Post by bylanta on Jul 20, 2023 18:15:40 GMT -5
I just had an amazing idea for an upcoming episode: where to spend your 12 interviews dt86 |
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Post by julioriddols on Jul 20, 2023 20:45:33 GMT -5
I like that one. Something we haven't really discussed much, wonder if anyone has strong thoughts on it.
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