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Post by clown on Sept 28, 2021 16:12:46 GMT -5
Not at all, but I'm not going to sit here and let you trash Benzer because he played with Dunn. I could give a shit less about the Hall of Fame as voted by the GMs in regards to his legacy. Benzer is not just an RZB legend, but one of the greats in of the FOF MP universe as well. I'm not saying he's the G.O.A.T. but he was a VERY special player and I'm not gonna let you, Simon or the guy down the street speak otherwise of a legend. He will get a fair shot like everyone else, if he doesn't make it, he isn't good enough. Just like all the other guys who didn't make first ballot. Nobody else moans when their guy doesn't make, so if it happens I would encourage you to take it like a man.
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Post by Nick on Sept 29, 2021 14:37:59 GMT -5
What does everyone think of Ernest Blackburn? 1000 tackles, 80 sacks, 76 passes defended...
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Post by Joel on Sept 29, 2021 14:47:05 GMT -5
What does everyone think of Ernest Blackburn? 1000 tackles, 80 sacks, 76 passes defended... Cowboy. Therefore trash 🤷🏻♂️😉
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Post by ManWithNoName on Sept 29, 2021 14:49:41 GMT -5
What does everyone think of Ernest Blackburn? 1000 tackles, 80 sacks, 76 passes defended... I always viewed him as a poor man's Austin Parrish. That's the role I tried to use him in after I moved him off the defensive line.
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Post by hildebrand on Sept 29, 2021 15:00:47 GMT -5
Not at all, but I'm not going to sit here and let you trash Benzer because he played with Dunn. I could give a shit less about the Hall of Fame as voted by the GMs in regards to his legacy. Benzer is not just an RZB legend, but one of the greats in of the FOF MP universe as well. I'm not saying he's the G.O.A.T. but he was a VERY special player and I'm not gonna let you, Simon or the guy down the street speak otherwise of a legend. He will get a fair shot like everyone else, if he doesn't make it, he isn't good enough. Just like all the other guys who didn't make first ballot. Nobody else moans when their guy doesn't make, so if it happens I would encourage you to take it like a man. Corbin Blake should be in the HoF. Anyone who disagrees is stupid.
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Post by ManWithNoName on Sept 29, 2021 15:08:54 GMT -5
He will get a fair shot like everyone else, if he doesn't make it, he isn't good enough. Just like all the other guys who didn't make first ballot. Nobody else moans when their guy doesn't make, so if it happens I would encourage you to take it like a man. Corbin Blake should be in the HoF. Anyone who disagrees is stupid. My IQ is plummeting
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Post by hildebrand on Sept 29, 2021 15:10:13 GMT -5
What does everyone think of Ernest Blackburn? 1000 tackles, 80 sacks, 76 passes defended... Solid well rounded player. Made all league at both DE and OLB. May have made the top 10 in tackles and top 5 in assists if he was a career OLB. Didn't spend long enough at DE to project any stats, but he was still really good at the position. His pass cover stats aren't that impressive to me, but it doesn't seem like he was targeted much to build the stats. I can see him getting voted in at some point. I don't think I would make him 1st ballot, but maybe somewhere down the line.
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Post by ManWithNoName on Sept 29, 2021 21:48:28 GMT -5
QB Hartman (2nd year) Hartman has a similar case to Delcorio. Some very good years but too much time spent on the bench for me. Hartman, outside of Big Ben, would be the least prolific passer we've ever put in the Hall. No from me.QB Delcorio (7th year) We've talked about his guy enough in my opinion. No.WR Lane (3rd year) Probably the best argument of any of the current non-HoF WRs outside of Benzer. Biggest negative is the total production. 3,000 less yards than Shelton. No for now.DE Hancock (8th year) No. Great career but not a HoF'er.LB Connell (8th year) Looks better than Tracy Ford to me, who we let in. So, I'd say yes.S McAllister (6th year) Going to say no. Think there are better guys we didn't let in.S Gonzalez (2nd year) Very good player, think there are better guys we haven't inducted at safety. No for me.LB Plyler (2nd year) Tough choice. Not sure he's on the same level as the other guys we've inducted. No for now.T Eisner (2nd year) My continued quest to keep Washington out of the Hall requires me to say no. Even if he had been a Cowboy though, he's just not a HoF'er. Jack Fonda was twice the player.WR Shaun Benzer (1st year) I'll vote for him 1st ballet, but while this might invite Rob's wrath I personally I see him as the worst of the WRs we've inducted. He had Dunn alongside him to draw all the double teams or dissuade them his entire career and he's the lowest target % of any of the WRs we've inducted. In his 4 seasons without Dunn he had well below 8 YPT. What would he have done without Dunn? Impossible to say for sure. Based on his bars I'd say something closer to Gage Bowers career.LB Ernest Blackburn (1st year) Life long Cowboy so I'll abstain from commenting further.C Elliot Kennedy (1st year) Great career, similar to some of the guys we've inducted. But those guys in front of him only just made it in the Hall. It's a no for me.RB Alfredo McQueen (1st year) Would be setting a new bar if we inducted McQueen. Everyone in front of him is in the hall, but no one behind him is. I would say no for now, especially with the league running more McQueen could start to look less appealing as a HoF'er.WR Gage Bowser (1st year) Interesting decision with these two WRs. Everyone in front of Talley in yards is in the Hall. But all of them were significantly more productive in creating TDs and more efficient as well. Bowser less prolific than Talley, but more efficient, probably because he was targeted less. Leaning towards no on both of them.WR Earnest Talley (1st year) CB Harvey Myers (1st year) Better case than Mills but still no for me. Don't see him in the same league as the other inductees.CB Kaden Mills (1st year) No. Good career, but 78.4 PDPct puts him well below his contemporaries at CB. Stats are not eyepopping either.DE Dillon Sloan (1st year) Maybe? PRPct is inline with other HoF'ers. Everyone in front of him in the sack leaderboard in is the Hall. Corbin Blake is directly behind him with one less lack, although a significantly lower PRPct.DE Gus Jenkins (1st year) No. Only 61.5 sacks. Far off from the likes of Hoffman, Rheams, and others.
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Post by Nick on Oct 6, 2021 15:04:37 GMT -5
Okay, after careful consideration this is where I am at. Open minded to changing my vote, so happy to listen to further opinions. I like the PDPct of these DBs and I am continuing to evaluate DBs in line with Evan's line of thinking. Blake is pretty close to current HOFers. Benzer is no doubt a HOFer, and I think he deserves consideration to be a first ballot. I think Hartman left his print on the league, left an impact.
S Pryor CB Newhart DE Blake WR Benzer QB Hartman
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Post by ManWithNoName on Oct 6, 2021 15:09:31 GMT -5
Okay, after careful consideration this is where I am at. Open minded to changing my vote, so happy to listen to further opinions. I like the PDPct of these DBs and I am continuing to evaluate DBs in line with Evan's line of thinking. Blake is pretty close to current HOFers. Benzer is no doubt a HOFer, and I think he deserves consideration to be a first ballot. I think Hartman left his print on the league, left an impact. S Pryor CB Newhart DE Blake WR Benzer QB Hartman Blake, Pryor, and Newhart are no longer eligible because of the 10 year rule.
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Post by Nick on Oct 6, 2021 15:53:04 GMT -5
Okay, after careful consideration this is where I am at. Open minded to changing my vote, so happy to listen to further opinions. I like the PDPct of these DBs and I am continuing to evaluate DBs in line with Evan's line of thinking. Blake is pretty close to current HOFers. Benzer is no doubt a HOFer, and I think he deserves consideration to be a first ballot. I think Hartman left his print on the league, left an impact. S Pryor CB Newhart DE Blake WR Benzer QB Hartman Blake, Pryor, and Newhart are no longer eligible because of the 10 year rule. Damn, well that leaves me with 2. Delcorio was 6th, so that's 3. I will hang back to see what you guys come up with.
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Post by rush27 on Oct 6, 2021 16:06:10 GMT -5
QB Hartman QB Delcorio WR Benzer DE Hancock LB Connell
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Post by CMax on Oct 7, 2021 4:48:02 GMT -5
Ack! I was just warming up to Blake and can't see voting Hancock if Blake isn't ever getting in.
I'll go with
QB Hartman QB Delcorio WR Benzer LB Connell WR Lane
Lane may not be a Benzer or Dunn, but he's still a top 10 point scorer (non-K) in league history.
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Post by Nick on Oct 7, 2021 15:28:59 GMT -5
QB Hartman QB Delcorio WR Benzer DE Sloan LB Connell
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Post by ManWithNoName on Oct 7, 2021 15:39:51 GMT -5
WR Benzer LB Connell DE Sloan WR Lane QB Hartman
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