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Post by Nick on Mar 23, 2021 12:11:38 GMT -5
Heh, so for me passing TDs are totally over valued as they can be manipulated so easily. I could have probably got Money 40 this season if I passed more in the Red Zone. But we ran it largely instead to score. I can't fault the QB for that.
I like QBR as I think it is less easily to manipulate. Although obviously heavily influenced by receivers. I guess maybe only INTs isn't.
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Post by CMax on Mar 23, 2021 16:37:07 GMT -5
Truth be told, when it comes to QB's, it seems to be more about WHO they play for, as opposed to how good they are. Take Frassrand for instance. If he was on Pittsburgh or Seattle, he'd probably already be in the discussion for future HOFer. Those teams (or actually their GM's) know how to utilize QB's better than I do. If you were to put Marincic, Hartman, Delcorio, or even Perry on my team, they'd probably perform like Frassrand has.
That being said, all of those guys played at an elite level (playoff choking or not), and stand atop the RZB as the best of the best. Delcorio is on the fence in my opinion. Had he spent his entire career with Pitt, he'd be a lock too. I think Marincic and Hartman are both HOF caliber. If not, none of us plebes have any chance of ever getting a QB in the HoF.
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Post by Joel on Mar 23, 2021 16:59:15 GMT -5
I think Wisniewski doesn’t get enough talk.
Yes he has a poor career QBR, but, the story he told as a player. Putting together one of the greatest single seasons ever in 2030 going 17-1 and winning a bowl. Going to LAC as a done man and getting them their first bowl. He is the Eli Manning of the RZB
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Post by ManWithNoName on Mar 23, 2021 17:17:47 GMT -5
Truth be told, when it comes to QB's, it seems to be more about WHO they play for, as opposed to how good they are. Take Frassrand for instance. If he was on Pittsburgh or Seattle, he'd probably already be in the discussion for future HOFer. Those teams (or actually their GM's) know how to utilize QB's better than I do. If you were to put Marincic, Hartman, Delcorio, or even Perry on my team, they'd probably perform like Frassrand has. That being said, all of those guys played at an elite level (playoff choking or not), and stand atop the RZB as the best of the best. Delcorio is on the fence in my opinion. Had he spent his entire career with Pitt, he'd be a lock too. I think Marincic and Hartman are both HOF caliber. If not, none of us plebes have any chance of ever getting a QB in the HoF. You only have to look at Hartman’s career to see that. Went from a complete afterthought in Tennessee to a potential HoF player in Seattle. Or just look at our HoF QBs and the other guys we’ve considered. Almost exclusively Steelers or Seahawks QBs. Helps to have a great team around you.
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Post by ezlee2 on Mar 23, 2021 19:41:32 GMT -5
So, you will not be voting for Maricic then? I do agree that when you know, you know. Most of the guys in the Hall were pretty easy for us to put in there. Only a few really had much debate about them. Delcorio regular season QBR: 100.5 Playoffs: 91.8 Rings 0 Hartman regular season QBR: 101.5 Playoffs: 108.5 Rings 4 Marincic regular season QBR: 108.8 Playoffs: 93.0 Rings 1 I mean we can see that the Steelers breed chokers, but I think Marincic has done more than Delcorio. IF things continue on the current path, I see Marincic as a HOFer. Just not 1st ballot. If he played as well in the playoffs as the regular season he would be easily a 1st ballot guy. But you can't just turn a blind eye to the choking IMO. Hartman is probably between the 2 all things considered, a bit of a system guy, but you have to love how clutch he was. Delcorio in 3rd for me. If Marincic is not 1st ballot material this entire process is a complete joke.
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Post by Nick on Mar 24, 2021 3:09:36 GMT -5
Delcorio regular season QBR: 100.5 Playoffs: 91.8 Rings 0 Hartman regular season QBR: 101.5 Playoffs: 108.5 Rings 4 Marincic regular season QBR: 108.8 Playoffs: 93.0 Rings 1 I mean we can see that the Steelers breed chokers, but I think Marincic has done more than Delcorio. IF things continue on the current path, I see Marincic as a HOFer. Just not 1st ballot. If he played as well in the playoffs as the regular season he would be easily a 1st ballot guy. But you can't just turn a blind eye to the choking IMO. Hartman is probably between the 2 all things considered, a bit of a system guy, but you have to love how clutch he was. Delcorio in 3rd for me. If Marincic is not 1st ballot material this entire process is a complete joke. The biggest problem the process has, and has always had, is people get preoccupied with pushing their own players. 5 out of 7, or 5 out of 6 neutral votes turned down Delcorio this year. It isn't a 1 man conspiracy. Marincic has time to lose the choker tad, or indeed confirm it. When the time comes a panel will gauge his legacy. In fact I am wondering if we would be better off leaving others to discuss them to allow a more neutral flow. I feel that we must allow others to express their opinions freely and accept others view players in different ways to our own methods, which naturally leads to different opinions. We have a good size selectors panel. The process is as fair as we can make it, aside from the concern of GMs pushing their own players perhaps. I struggle to recall a time when a GM has voted against his own player, it is always the opposite. Maybe we need to have a group discussion on how we can iron out the current own player bias in the process.
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Post by ezlee2 on Mar 24, 2021 7:18:53 GMT -5
Owen is going to SMASH every passing record!
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Post by hildebrand on Mar 24, 2021 7:22:33 GMT -5
Owen is going to SMASH every passing record! I think he's starting to feel a degenerative hip condition coming on.
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Post by schwantz on Mar 24, 2021 7:36:51 GMT -5
Marincic = Peyton Manning. Anyone argue that Manning doesn't belong in the NFL hall of fame? Marincic is a non debate candidate. Yep, you're in. Move along.
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Post by Nick on Mar 24, 2021 8:31:20 GMT -5
Marincic = Peyton Manning. Anyone argue that Manning doesn't belong in the NFL hall of fame? Marincic is a non debate candidate. Yep, you're in. Move along. Nobody is saying he isn't a HOFer. I don't like my 1st ballot guys to have any flaws, like Briggs and Dunn. Nothing to discuss with those guys. Records don't impress me, but another ring will make him 1st ballot for me, unless he self descruts and get carried.
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Post by schwantz on Mar 24, 2021 8:46:07 GMT -5
Marincic = Peyton Manning. Anyone argue that Manning doesn't belong in the NFL hall of fame? Marincic is a non debate candidate. Yep, you're in. Move along. Nobody is saying he isn't a HOFer. I don't like my 1st ballot guys to have any flaws, like Briggs and Dunn. Nothing to discuss with those guys. Records don't impress me, but another ring will make him 1st ballot for me, unless he self descruts and get carried. I can respect that opinion. The thing I have always had an issue with is the 1st ballot thing. Either you're a HOF'er or you are not. Everyone should have the one chance once they retire. Your numbers don't change after that. You're either in your not. I don't agree with that in the real life NFL HOF or here. Just my personal opinion.
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Post by ManWithNoName on Mar 24, 2021 9:10:23 GMT -5
Nobody is saying he isn't a HOFer. I don't like my 1st ballot guys to have any flaws, like Briggs and Dunn. Nothing to discuss with those guys. Records don't impress me, but another ring will make him 1st ballot for me, unless he self descruts and get carried. I can respect that opinion. The thing I have always had an issue with is the 1st ballot thing. Either you're a HOF'er or you are not. Everyone should have the one chance once they retire. Your numbers don't change after that. You're either in your not. I don't agree with that in the real life NFL HOF or here. Just my personal opinion. Maybe it’s a pointless distinction that leagues make between Hall of Famers but baseball, football, and basketball all do it. But sometimes guys can look like clear HoF’s after some time to think about it where other guys who seemed obvious start to become less convincing. With all the advanced stats in baseball right now, for example, there’s a ton of guys we can look back on and say that this guy or that guy should be in the hall and these other dudes should not.
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Post by Nick on Mar 28, 2021 14:35:06 GMT -5
Rob and I to write up Dunn and Briggs respectively.
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