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Post by ezlee2 on Jan 18, 2024 9:02:10 GMT -5
Tomlin was the right guy at the right time for us, but he's passed his expiration date in Pittsburgh. I can 100% see him going someplace new and having success, but I do not see that happening in the Burgh. Not with Art II as the main guy. He sucks ass. Unfortunately, he has more of his grandpap in him and not his father. The good news is that Dan Rooney II will run the show eventually and he is highly regarded.
The bottom line is that my Steelers are the Steelers. 10-7, 9-8 is a great season for some franchises. That doesn't cut it for Steelers fans. We have (or at least used to have) higher standards. I don't want Belichick either, I want a young offensive-minded guy that is not stuck in the 2000's.
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Post by Jugg on Jan 18, 2024 10:02:35 GMT -5
I waited a couple days to comment on this. I wanted this to be well thought out, plus I needed to remember some things that were said that don't have much context... or just are flat out incorrect.
Let me say this first. I am not the biggest Tomlin supporter. Honestly, if he leaves, or the Rooneys decide to go another direction, I won't have much of a problem with that. However, some things, positive and negative need to be pointed out, and/or corrected from what you posted.
1. The record this year was 10-7, not 9-8. Seamntics, I know. The team at one point was playing their 4th and 5th ILBs, as well as their 4th and 5th safeties due to injury. Starting QB got hurt. Playing Trubisky was a mistake. Signing him this past off-season was a mistake. He probably cost them two wins. You can put that on Tomlin, but players play the game. No one knew Trubisky was going to regress this season from last year. Including Tomlin.
2. Tomlin is responsible for the Matt Canada hire. He's also responsible for keeping him when he should have been fired at the end of last season. However, Ben is the one who wanted Randy Fichtner as the OC. Mainly because they were buddies. Ben is also the one who ran Todd Haley out of town. Granted, yes that was a Rooney hire. He was the best OC they have had in the last 15 seasons, but Ben didn't like him. Threatening to retire every year he was the OC. Ben then had the audacity to get upset when the Steelers drafted Rudolph as his eventual replacement. Hell, had he not been threatening to retire, which was only to get his way, they would have never drafted a QB.
3. The Rooneys are the ones that ran Bruce Arians out of town. With that fake ass retirement press conference. Not Tomlin. Dan Rooney was on the record stating, the offensive philosophy had to change, because Ben was getting absolutely killed in Arians' offense with all his 7 step drop backs. If things continue, he's only going to be able to play a couple more seasons. If you doubt this, I'm sure the article is somewhere around online. You can also look up the fact that Ben was the most sacked QB in the league for like a 4 year stretch when Arians was the OC. Those numbers went down significantly once Haley became the OC.
4. There have plenty of playoff disappointments. Not sure which of these were bigger. The Tebow game, or the Jacksonville game in which Tomlin gave an interview beforehand on live TV and actually said the team was looking forward to playing New England. Then they went out and gave up 45 points to Blake Bortles and the Jacksonville Jaguars. It also needs to be mentioned though, they entered multiple playoff games without their best players. Bell and AB both missed playoff games. They probably beat Denver the year they won the bowl if AB plays.
5. Colbert wanted to draft Pickett. He said in one of his final interviews, that he wanted to leave the Steelers with a franchise QB. I'm sure Tomlin had some say so, but to say Tomlin makes the final call on personnel decisions and he chose Pickett is incorrect.
6. I haven't seen this posted here, but I'm going to bring it up. Bill Cowher was a choke artist in the playoffs, as well. He lost several home games in the playoffs in which his teams were favored. The Steelers lost to Stan Humphries and the Chargers in Three Rivers Stadium when they were 14 point favorites. Bill Cowher's team also got boat raced by the Patriots in the '96 playoffs when they clearly had the better team.
7. I'm not sure there is much that's going to change with this franchise any time soon. Art II is an attorney and a business man. He's not a football guy. Dan was the football guy. I think the bigger issue with the team is the owner. Not the front office or the head coach.
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Post by clown on Jan 18, 2024 10:37:50 GMT -5
Commander Rob Fires coaches after they win the RedBlitz Bowl He runs a tight ship. This guy would have been gone before breakfast or a long long long time ago!
Most other clubs fire their guy after 1 or 2 or 3 years never allowing the coach/gm to get their guys! Zero Patience!
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Post by Nemesis on Jan 18, 2024 18:07:59 GMT -5
Tomlin was the right guy at the right time for us, but he's passed his expiration date in Pittsburgh. I can 100% see him going someplace new and having success, but I do not see that happening in the Burgh. Not with Art II as the main guy. He sucks ass. Unfortunately, he has more of his grandpap in him and not his father. The good news is that Dan Rooney II will run the show eventually and he is highly regarded.
The bottom line is that my Steelers are the Steelers. 10-7, 9-8 is a great season for some franchises. That doesn't cut it for Steelers fans. We have (or at least used to have) higher standards. I don't want Belichick either, I want a young offensive-minded guy that is not stuck in the 2000's. Who's a good (available) coach who's offensive minded and not stuck in the 2000's? The best coach I see that is hungry (imo) is Jim Harbaugh. He's controversial, but he doesn't fuck around and he's a winner. But who else is there?
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Post by bylanta on Jan 18, 2024 23:39:27 GMT -5
Tomlin was the right guy at the right time for us, but he's passed his expiration date in Pittsburgh. I can 100% see him going someplace new and having success, but I do not see that happening in the Burgh. Not with Art II as the main guy. He sucks ass. Unfortunately, he has more of his grandpap in him and not his father. The good news is that Dan Rooney II will run the show eventually and he is highly regarded.
The bottom line is that my Steelers are the Steelers. 10-7, 9-8 is a great season for some franchises. That doesn't cut it for Steelers fans. We have (or at least used to have) higher standards. I don't want Belichick either, I want a young offensive-minded guy that is not stuck in the 2000's. Who's a good (available) coach who's offensive minded and not stuck in the 2000's? The best coach I see that is hungry (imo) is Jim Harbaugh. He's controversial, but he doesn't fuck around and he's a winner. But who else is there? Bobby Slowik, Ben Johnson, Brian Johnson, Eric Bienemy
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Post by Nemesis on Jan 19, 2024 0:30:38 GMT -5
Who's a good (available) coach who's offensive minded and not stuck in the 2000's? The best coach I see that is hungry (imo) is Jim Harbaugh. He's controversial, but he doesn't fuck around and he's a winner. But who else is there? Bobby Slowik, Ben Johnson, Brian Johnson, Eric Bienemy I dig what Bobby Slowik has done, and he does have a scheme that's cutting edge. Ben Johnson also has done alot calling plays and making Goff look good, or vice versa, I can't tell. Brian Johnson's stock died with the Eagles at 10-1. It feels more like Hurts performance last season made him. Eric Bienemy's trip to Washington was what I expected it to be, damaging. Patrick Mahomes made him look good. Sam Howell did not. Of the 4 guys, I like Bobby Slowik the best, but one question remains.. Does calling offensive plays correlate to being a successful Head Coach? What makes an Offensive Coordinator who becomes a Head Coach a Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, and not Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels?
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Post by bylanta on Jan 19, 2024 0:57:35 GMT -5
Bobby Slowik, Ben Johnson, Brian Johnson, Eric Bienemy I dig what Bobby Slowik has done, and he does have a scheme that's cutting edge. Ben Johnson also has done alot calling plays and making Goff look good, or vice versa, I can't tell. Brian Johnson's stock died with the Eagles at 10-1. It feels more like Hurts performance last season made him. Eric Bienemy's trip to Washington was what I expected it to be, damaging. Patrick Mahomes made him look good. Sam Howell did not. Of the 4 guys, I like Bobby Slowik the best, but one question remains.. Does calling offensive plays correlate to being a successful Head Coach? What makes an Offensive Coordinator who becomes a Head Coach a Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, and not Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels? Yea I listed Slowik first as he's my favorite option as well. As for OCs as HCs, you pose an excellent question. Maybe just get them a qb?
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Post by boots on Jan 19, 2024 4:56:17 GMT -5
'Just' doing the heavy lifting there
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Post by Jugg on Jan 19, 2024 6:56:06 GMT -5
I dig what Bobby Slowik has done, and he does have a scheme that's cutting edge. Ben Johnson also has done alot calling plays and making Goff look good, or vice versa, I can't tell. Brian Johnson's stock died with the Eagles at 10-1. It feels more like Hurts performance last season made him. Eric Bienemy's trip to Washington was what I expected it to be, damaging. Patrick Mahomes made him look good. Sam Howell did not. Of the 4 guys, I like Bobby Slowik the best, but one question remains.. Does calling offensive plays correlate to being a successful Head Coach? What makes an Offensive Coordinator who becomes a Head Coach a Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, and not Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels? Yea I listed Slowik first as he's my favorite option as well. As for OCs as HCs, you pose an excellent question. Maybe just get them a qb? Bieniemy did the best he could with that garbage roster. There is not one legit starter on offense at the skill position for Washington. The telling fact is the Chiefs offense has been straight doodoo all season long without him there. I think he deserves a little more credit for what was happening in KC than what he's gotten. Slowik and Ben Johnson look like the hot candidates on the offensive side of tha ball. I personally think anyone looking for an OC or offensive minded head coach should just see what the best candidates are on the 49ers and Rams staff.
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Post by clown on Jan 19, 2024 7:33:19 GMT -5
The Bill Belichick coaching tree is dead? Nothing good came from Bill, only Tom Brady? Looks like a HOF QB, makes you a great coach Look around RZB, is it any different here?
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Post by Nemesis on Jan 19, 2024 10:55:59 GMT -5
I dig what Bobby Slowik has done, and he does have a scheme that's cutting edge. Ben Johnson also has done alot calling plays and making Goff look good, or vice versa, I can't tell. Brian Johnson's stock died with the Eagles at 10-1. It feels more like Hurts performance last season made him. Eric Bienemy's trip to Washington was what I expected it to be, damaging. Patrick Mahomes made him look good. Sam Howell did not. Of the 4 guys, I like Bobby Slowik the best, but one question remains.. Does calling offensive plays correlate to being a successful Head Coach? What makes an Offensive Coordinator who becomes a Head Coach a Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, and not Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels? Yea I listed Slowik first as he's my favorite option as well. As for OCs as HCs, you pose an excellent question. Maybe just get them a qb? Just get them a QB seems to always be the answer and it seems right. Juggs makes a good point, the Chiefs looked like hot garbage this season without Bienemy. Although, it could be a combination of both Bienemy's continuity and the new hot garbage Matt Nagy incoming (even though he had Alex Smith looking good in 2017), but yeah, they were butt cheeks this year on offense. But by the same token, the Washington offense only gained 8 more points than they did last year under Scott Turner calling plays, with basically the same team, except Bienemy got a (better QB according to the hype), so, jury's still out on Bienemy's ability to make players better, in the way Shanahan does. So Bienemy could just be another Brad Childress and Matt Nagy as Head Coaches. I hate talking shit about them because each one has forgotten more about football than I'll ever know.
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Post by Red Zone on Jan 19, 2024 17:50:58 GMT -5
I didn't expect any change at HC for the Steelers. Tomlin was always going to stay and like Rob said he will be allowed to stay on as long as he wants, unless we start going 4-13. I agree with Juggs that Tomlin doesn't have the final say on the draft like people think, and he certainly didn't have it when Kevin Colbert was here. Part of drafting Pickett was an over reaction to passing on Dan Marino years ago and that was way before Tomlins time so you can add the Rooney Family onto the list of people to blame. The Steelers are 1-11 in games TJ Watt doesn't play in, so the rest of our roster isn't that good. Look at how long the fans of the Lions and Browns have suffered. Do you think they would take Tomlin and a bunch of 9-8 or 10-7 seasons with a playoff loss? I fully understand the passion to win Bowls, but there are 32 teams and the odds are that Pittsburgh, with 6, may not win another one for a while.
If I get my way...the next Steelers Offensive Coordinator will be 49ers asst coach Clint Kubiak...I want me some o that fancy Shanahan offense
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Post by dt86 on Jan 19, 2024 20:18:52 GMT -5
I didn't expect any change at HC for the Steelers. Tomlin was always going to stay and like Rob said he will be allowed to stay on as long as he wants, unless we start going 4-13. I agree with Juggs that Tomlin doesn't have the final say on the draft like people think, and he certainly didn't have it when Kevin Colbert was here. Part of drafting Pickett was an over reaction to passing on Dan Marino years ago and that was way before Tomlins time so you can add the Rooney Family onto the list of people to blame. The Steelers are 1-11 in games TJ Watt doesn't play in, so the rest of our roster isn't that good. Look at how long the fans of the Lions and Browns have suffered. Do you think they would take Tomlin and a bunch of 9-8 or 10-7 seasons with a playoff loss? I fully understand the passion to win Bowls, but there are 32 teams and the odds are that Pittsburgh, with 6, may not win another one for a while. If I get my way...the next Steelers Offensive Coordinator will be 49ers asst coach Clint Kubiak...I want me some o that fancy Shanahan offense
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Post by Nemesis on Jan 19, 2024 22:27:37 GMT -5
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