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Post by Nick on Mar 20, 2021 8:14:37 GMT -5
DE Dennis Bunning
You have 24 hours to make further nominations. Looking for players with a chance of winning only.
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Post by hildebrand on Mar 20, 2021 15:57:35 GMT -5
OLB Colton Wilcox S Blake Reed ILB Ike Grui
Not on the level of dominance as Bunning, but all had standout seasons in different aspects of the game.
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Post by CMax on Mar 20, 2021 21:40:12 GMT -5
I gotta nominate my guy Kassell. Even in an injury shortened season, he lead the league in INT's with 8 (2 returned for TD) and an 84.7 PD%. Plus 87 Tackles.
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Post by CMax on Mar 21, 2021 6:52:30 GMT -5
Kassell nomination aside, I'll probably still have to vote Bunning.
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Post by Nick on Mar 21, 2021 7:08:27 GMT -5
Poll is live.
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Post by julioriddols on Mar 21, 2021 10:08:25 GMT -5
I knew Buning was gonna go off before the season started and he even exceeded my expectations. I'm not sure he has peaked yet either. His combo of size, skill, endurance and intelligence are just insane levels of rare. I think it could be argued that he specifically adds nearly as much value to a team as a stud QB, just on the defensive side of the ball. Probably worth a 1.1 pick at least if he were traded right now.
I get so damn jealous seeing these perfectly built guys who have absolutely everything you could ask for in a player and never getting my hands on one.
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Post by Nick on Mar 21, 2021 13:19:15 GMT -5
I knew Buning was gonna go off before the season started and he even exceeded my expectations. I'm not sure he has peaked yet either. His combo of size, skill, endurance and intelligence are just insane levels of rare. I think it could be argued that he specifically adds nearly as much value to a team as a stud QB, just on the defensive side of the ball. Probably worth a 1.1 pick at least if he were traded right now.I get so damn jealous seeing these perfectly built guys who have absolutely everything you could ask for in a player and never getting my hands on one. I have been flat out shocked to see the apparent effect of losing Briggs on our running game. 6.36 become 4.55 (normal small sample size doubt applies). On face value that change is largely down to Briggs. But how much of that is down to the cohesion in Briggs you have to wonder. Looking at the Atlanta D... PPG 21st Yards Against 27th Turnovers 7th Digging down further Total Sacks 11th Total Hurries 9th It doesn't seem like even an epic 1 man performance makes a great Defense. Cohesion on Atlanta D 17th and 23rd. No doubt Bunning is at the heart of the improvement to the Atlanta D, but I doubt any defensive player will give the instant dramatic upgrade that an Offensive skill player can. You say 1.1, I say not even close. Stud skill guys first, whenever they run out, that is how I would value Bunning. But then there is Kasica, but I suspect that is the Shane effect. 1-1.
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Post by ezlee2 on Mar 21, 2021 13:28:05 GMT -5
Bunning is a beast. Should be a legit MVP candidate in-game IMO as well.
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Post by Joel on Mar 21, 2021 13:36:37 GMT -5
I knew Buning was gonna go off before the season started and he even exceeded my expectations. I'm not sure he has peaked yet either. His combo of size, skill, endurance and intelligence are just insane levels of rare. I think it could be argued that he specifically adds nearly as much value to a team as a stud QB, just on the defensive side of the ball. Probably worth a 1.1 pick at least if he were traded right now.I get so damn jealous seeing these perfectly built guys who have absolutely everything you could ask for in a player and never getting my hands on one. I have been flat out shocked to see the apparent effect of losing Briggs on our running game. 6.36 become 4.55 (normal small sample size doubt applies). On face value that change is largely down to Briggs. But how much of that is down to the cohesion in Briggs you have to wonder. Looking at the Atlanta D... PPG 21st Yards Against 27th Turnovers 7th Digging down further Total Sacks 11th Total Hurries 9th It doesn't seem like even an epic 1 man performance makes a great Defense. Cohesion on Atlanta D 17th and 23rd. No doubt Bunning is at the heart of the improvement to the Atlanta D, but I doubt any defensive player will give the instant dramatic upgrade that an Offensive skill player can. You say 1.1, I say not even close. Stud skill guys first, whenever they run out, that is how I would value Bunning. But then there is Kasica, but I suspect that is the Shane effect. 1-1. I agree with Nick. A DE in this league can never be worth a 1.1. For 2 reasons, one being the huge cap he is about to cost, and also because of the unreliability, and large dice that come into play in determining where defensive stats go. Now, before I start anything, I am making assumptions; who knows if Zach and Eli will keep him this productive? My bet would be yes because of how good they are at the game. But for most mortals, than dont understand all the fine nuances in defence, a player like Buning may never be consistent, and I believe i have evidence to back this up. Now firstly, just do some SP sims, he may never get over 14 sacks a year again, there is no guarantee in a D player. However, with a stud 1.1 WR, you can guarantee that 8+ ypt and so on, even on bad years. Secondly, if it was all Buning, you would think that others in the league with the same bar profile would be almost with him stat wise. The answer to that is that they are not. This is not meant to offend anyone, but Rasmussen at the 49ers has a near identical bar pattern, the most sacks he's had in a year? 9.5. Dillon Sloan at the Vikings took the league by storm in his 4th year with 20 sacks. He stayed consistent, but never got close to his 20 again. Even Hoffman, the GOAT pass rusher only manged over 15 sacks in a year on 2 occasions. IF buning could get 20 sacks a year, and all the rest that he does consistently, for the next 8 years, I will eat my words, and say that he was probably worth a top 3 pick. But as i said earlier, there is just far too much unreliability in most of the defensive positions. If i would want any D player right now, it would be Colton Wilcox.
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Post by Nick on Mar 21, 2021 14:06:35 GMT -5
Another interesting point is how comparatively poor Samsel has been, a guy that Atlanta tried to move last off season. Did they know this was coming? Maybe I am getting paranoid lol, but you can't help but wonder if the superior draft knowledge also spills in to other parts of the game.
Also been watching with fascination on how many passing touchdowns versus rushing touchdowns Atlanta score. Stat padding the QB for fun or genuinely the best approach in the Red Zone? Don't know. I have felt running the ball in that part of the field was the way forward for us, but I totally go by feel and analyse no stats whatsoever.
As for our Defense, very surprising season to me. Whether we caught good dice on D or have something sweet I wouldn't like to say. We haven't done anything different.
Cohesion 19th and 13th.
Total Yards 3rd PPG 2nd Turovers 1st
I kind of wonder of player stats are not the sum of real production. The production of the team seems a little odd, I suspect we drop next year but we will see.
Sacks 4th Hurries 5th
Again, surprising. Fitzgerald is handy, but really a fairly average looking rush on paper I would think. No chemistry on the front, 19th cohesion. Wierd.
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Post by clown on Mar 21, 2021 14:24:17 GMT -5
But then there is Kasica, but I suspect that is the Shane effect. 1-1. Can I get a larger quote on this, I'm not sure I did good or bad here?
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Post by ManWithNoName on Mar 21, 2021 14:32:37 GMT -5
But then there is Kasica, but I suspect that is the Shane effect. 1-1. Can I get a larger quote on this, I'm not sure I did good or bad here? This work?
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Post by Joel on Mar 21, 2021 14:35:16 GMT -5
Can I get a larger quote on this, I'm not sure I did good or bad here? This work? Larger
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Post by clown on Mar 21, 2021 14:45:43 GMT -5
Does anyone understand why kasica and Shane are named in this essay You're both very very funny, and you know I love it ...but
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Post by julioriddols on Mar 21, 2021 17:35:42 GMT -5
My basic thought on Bunning is entirely based on his level of perfection. His PRT/PRS is about as good as it gets. His size is scheme versatile and he can play 3-4 or 4-3 just fine and be a beast in both. He can play all downs and distances. He won't be the source of a bunch of penalties. He's only 23. There really isn't an FOF box he doesn't check off, and a guy with that skill and size and intelligence is SO rare that his value is boosted IMO. You can't get a guy like him, probably won't see another one that meets all those criteria for a decade or so.
I'd pay the guy, personally. He is the kind of guy who can win a game for you by himself. If Atlanta didn't surround him with penalty prone meatheads the defense would be a lot more consistently effective too. The Falcons gave their opponents 38 free first downs this season. That is essentially the same as 114 free plays. If they give up 5 yards per play, that's almost 600 yards, and that doesn't include the penalty yards. Take 600 yards off their defensive total (I know this is crude) and that's 37.5 yards per game saved, which brings them up to about 6th in overall defense. Now chances are those free first downs resulted in even more than 114 extra plays, so the number here is likely an undersell of the actual ability of the ATL defense.
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