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Post by mellman on Dec 19, 2022 14:57:45 GMT -5
Nick always told me that underrated meant one bar was underrated, not the whole guy. Vice versa for overrated I had it broken down concisely like this by another experienced GM. Very Overrated - most bars at low end of blue bar, with a couple below Overrated - most bars at the lower end of the blue bar with a couple at the middle As Scouted - all bars at approximately the middle of the blue bar Underrated - most bars at the high end of the blue bar with a couple at the middle Very Underrated - bars at the high end of the blue bar with a couple above Hard to Read - bars can be anywhere from low to high end of blue bar but won't be above or below
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Post by Joel on Dec 19, 2022 15:01:23 GMT -5
Nick always told me that underrated meant one bar was underrated, not the whole guy. Vice versa for overrated I had it broken down concisely like this by another experienced GM. Very Overrated - most bars at low end of blue bar, with a couple below Overrated - most bars at the lower end of the blue bar with a couple at the middle As Scouted - all bars at approximately the middle of the blue bar Underrated - most bars at the high end of the blue bar with a couple at the middle Very Underrated - bars at the high end of the blue bar with a couple above Hard to Read - bars can be anywhere from low to high end of blue bar but won't be above or below Can’t exactly work like that, because ultimately the combines are the deciding factor as to where bars are. For instance, a Wr can have all bars correlate to combines, bar GD and agility, say GD is 60, but agility is 6.78, and you get the guy underrated, it’s basically saying his Gd will be what goes up. If it was all bars being the high side of blue, id expect all of the combines to be slightly better than the bars, and that rarely happens (I think lol)
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Post by mellman on Dec 19, 2022 15:24:42 GMT -5
I had it broken down concisely like this by another experienced GM. Very Overrated - most bars at low end of blue bar, with a couple below Overrated - most bars at the lower end of the blue bar with a couple at the middle As Scouted - all bars at approximately the middle of the blue bar Underrated - most bars at the high end of the blue bar with a couple at the middle Very Underrated - bars at the high end of the blue bar with a couple above Hard to Read - bars can be anywhere from low to high end of blue bar but won't be above or below Can’t exactly work like that, because ultimately the combines are the deciding factor as to where bars are. For instance, a Wr can have all bars correlate to combines, bar GD and agility, say GD is 60, but agility is 6.78, and you get the guy underrated, it’s basically saying his Gd will be what goes up. If it was all bars being the high side of blue, id expect all of the combines to be slightly better than the bars, and that rarely happens (I think lol) So far in my FOF journey I've learnt it's not acquiring information that's hard, it's deciphering what's true from it all lol
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Post by Joel on Dec 19, 2022 15:30:48 GMT -5
Can’t exactly work like that, because ultimately the combines are the deciding factor as to where bars are. For instance, a Wr can have all bars correlate to combines, bar GD and agility, say GD is 60, but agility is 6.78, and you get the guy underrated, it’s basically saying his Gd will be what goes up. If it was all bars being the high side of blue, id expect all of the combines to be slightly better than the bars, and that rarely happens (I think lol) So far in my FOF journey I've learnt it's not acquiring information that's hard, it's deciphering what's true from it all lol Take the two OL I have drafted, both are underrated. But I don’t expect all the bars to be at the high end of the blue. Both are the same. They have a great 40 in comparison to their run blocking. I only expect to see run blocking jump up on both of them, and actually beyond what the bar is telling me (slightly)
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Post by Joel on Dec 19, 2022 15:34:12 GMT -5
I think ultimately this discussion is why tzach might say interviews are useless? Lol Or at least I remember a conversation in IHOF making a compelling argument for this
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Post by hildebrand on Dec 19, 2022 18:31:25 GMT -5
I think for OL it's usually 28. If you use the Draft Analyzer, the color coding of the combines will tell you the deviation from the midpoint. White-green is at or above the midpoint while gray-red is below the average. I've noticed players with a Sol above the midpoint will have at least "average" intelligence. Depending on what horoscope group they are in will tell you how much higher the intelligence will be. Is that essentially what the 'show StdDevs' option in the view tab gives further insight into? I did ask about that on FOFC as in was it relative to the class or relative to some sort of collective database that DA may have had from a larger sample set but no one really answered, so if so then that's good to know. The stddevs view is actually how I figured this out. Using the "show stddevs" option can make it easier to see if you're not yet familiar with the color coding.
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Post by hildebrand on Dec 19, 2022 18:37:39 GMT -5
So i have a question if i may please. If i draft a player that will be 50/50 when maxed out. If he was underrated would on average he be say a 55/55 (so +10%) and if he was overrated would eh become a 45/45 (so -10%). I appreciate every player is different but on average what would you say? In my general estimates of how a 50/50 would look based on interviews: VO = 40 peak or more likely lower. O = low 40s H2R = 45-48 AS = 50 U = 55-60, I've seen higher jumps on rare occasions VU = the sky's the limit
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Post by quiksand on Dec 21, 2022 14:44:41 GMT -5
good stuff, fellas
tiny tidbit to drop here.... agreed that the 1.20 LB is low weight for his position... in general, guys who show up as weight outliers will not be eligible to move toward the average, so with this guy he's probably just locked into playing in his 220s, and (as a result) almost certainly inside rather than outside
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Post by BgBob on Dec 23, 2022 18:06:31 GMT -5
This is my Very Overrated RB that I drafted in CFL 50/50 league, got him in the mid-second. On a trade I coaxed out information from another GM when we were talking before the draft. He accidently told me his interview was VU for him when mine was VO. I still targeted another RB but he went ahead of my pick so I took Wells. I was pretty confused at the time because base on my coaches bars Scouting and Interviews shouldn't have been an issue, I fired my Head Coach after that. I liked the 3 green bars and the RR bar so took a shot on him. I have heard that interviews aren't everything.
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Post by Adam Schefter on Dec 23, 2022 18:10:20 GMT -5
View AttachmentView AttachmentThis is my Very Overrated RB that I drafted in CFL 50/50 league, got him in the mid-second. On a trade I coaxed out information from another GM when we were talking before the draft. He accidently told me his interview was VU for him when mine was VO. I still targeted another RB but he went ahead of my pick so I took Wells. I was pretty confused at the time because base on my coaches bars Scouting and Interviews shouldn't have been an issue, I fired my Head Coach after that. I liked the 3 green bars and the RR bar so took a shot on him. I have heard that interviews aren't everything. How did this guy drop to 2.16?
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Post by Joel on Dec 23, 2022 18:10:24 GMT -5
View AttachmentView AttachmentThis is my Very Overrated RB that I drafted in CFL 50/50 league, got him in the mid-second. On a trade I coaxed out information from another GM when we were talking before the draft. He accidently told me his interview was VU for him when mine was VO. I still targeted another RB but he went ahead of my pick so I took Wells. I was pretty confused at the time because base on my coaches bars Scouting and Interviews shouldn't have been an issue, I fired my Head Coach after that. I liked the 3 green bars and the RR bar so took a shot on him. I have heard that interviews aren't everything. He looks very much like a VU. But the whole idea of them not mattering is being able to see the masked bars for what they truly are, and not relying on a 50/50 interview shout
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Post by BgBob on Dec 23, 2022 18:22:48 GMT -5
View AttachmentView AttachmentThis is my Very Overrated RB that I drafted in CFL 50/50 league, got him in the mid-second. On a trade I coaxed out information from another GM when we were talking before the draft. He accidently told me his interview was VU for him when mine was VO. I still targeted another RB but he went ahead of my pick so I took Wells. I was pretty confused at the time because base on my coaches bars Scouting and Interviews shouldn't have been an issue, I fired my Head Coach after that. I liked the 3 green bars and the RR bar so took a shot on him. I have heard that interviews aren't everything. How did this guy drop to 2.16? The draft was RB heavy with 7 other guys with better looking bars. 1 busted out completely, 3 came in mid low 50's and 3 were in the 70's with Wells the highest. He was the 5th RB taken with other 2-70 guys in the 1st.
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Post by hildebrand on Dec 23, 2022 18:23:57 GMT -5
View AttachmentView AttachmentThis is my Very Overrated RB that I drafted in CFL 50/50 league, got him in the mid-second. On a trade I coaxed out information from another GM when we were talking before the draft. He accidently told me his interview was VU for him when mine was VO. I still targeted another RB but he went ahead of my pick so I took Wells. I was pretty confused at the time because base on my coaches bars Scouting and Interviews shouldn't have been an issue, I fired my Head Coach after that. I liked the 3 green bars and the RR bar so took a shot on him. I have heard that interviews aren't everything. Interviews can be wrong. The better a coach's interviewing bar, few interviews will be wrong. In my experience, VU and VO interviews always have a shred of doubt. I generally expect a good interviewing coach (75+) to get 11/12 correct interviews in a season.
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Post by BgBob on Dec 23, 2022 18:28:59 GMT -5
View AttachmentView AttachmentThis is my Very Overrated RB that I drafted in CFL 50/50 league, got him in the mid-second. On a trade I coaxed out information from another GM when we were talking before the draft. He accidently told me his interview was VU for him when mine was VO. I still targeted another RB but he went ahead of my pick so I took Wells. I was pretty confused at the time because base on my coaches bars Scouting and Interviews shouldn't have been an issue, I fired my Head Coach after that. I liked the 3 green bars and the RR bar so took a shot on him. I have heard that interviews aren't everything. He looks very much like a VU. But the whole idea of them not mattering is being able to see the masked bars for what they truly are, and not relying on a 50/50 interview shout That is what I had thought too. He looked more under then over.
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