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Post by davehibb on Oct 7, 2021 1:50:29 GMT -5
Now, I usually set the variance to 1 or 0, hit 200 plays and click go!
Sometimes, I'll do the above and then use the guided playbook to refine targets/formations etc. to better suit personnel.
I figure that out of 200 plays with a reasonable fit, I should be able to get 60+ at least solid plays, with enough diversity not to get familiars, whilst being able to get the guys I want involved targetted.
So far, so good. Not totally optimal but it's served me up to this point and I've done okay.
Now then, trying to create a playbook from scratch, adding 10 or 20 plays at a time, targeting specific formations, players, running lanes etc. etc. and trimming them down and then adding another 10 or 20 plays targeting someone else or a different route etc. how the FUCK do you know which are the newly generated plays? Especially if you have like 30 or 40 plays already loaded and checked for fit etc. Am I missing something or are we really expected to sift through every play each time we generate additional ones?
Help? Thoughts? Discuss YOUR playbook creation process?
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Post by rush27 on Oct 7, 2021 4:58:24 GMT -5
Rex it
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Post by Strubbel94 on Oct 7, 2021 6:13:54 GMT -5
This season I've worked harder on my playbook than before.
For the formations 122 and 113 I used the guided playbook generator. I created 20 or 30 plays at a time (first just passing) and than I sorted them after primary targets and looked at them one by one to see which plays doesn't fit the balanced playstyle at all, which plays have teh FB or RB as a priamry or secondary receiver and than I delete those plays.
I did this until I had about 40-50 plays I like.
After that I created the plays in the lesser used formations from scratch as this were gonna just 10-15 plays anyway.
When this was done I did kinda the same with running plays and looked that my running direction where fairly balanced.
This took me maybe 2-4 hours of work, as I'm not using pistol or shotgun formations which limits the whole variables.
Next season however I think that murph would liek to build a complete playbook from scratch. We will see.
A few extra things I would liek to mention. I just use 100 plays in my playbook, when I set my playbook as I want it this is more than enough as my OC can just use roudn about 65 plays for the offensive gameplan anyway. And each week you can create new plays (I guess 12 new plays) specificly for your next opponent so no need to have 200 plays and lose ovwerview.
I've also tried sometimes back in the day to build a playbook from scratch, to new which plays I've already created I used a prefix in the name of every play and numbered them, as well as building an excel shart to sort them how I like, maybe thats something that could help you.
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Post by davehibb on Oct 7, 2021 6:23:58 GMT -5
This season I've worked harder on my playbook than before. For the formations 122 and 113 I used the guided playbook generator. I created 20 or 30 plays at a time (first just passing) and than I sorted them after primary targets and looked at them one by one to see which plays doesn't fit the balanced playstyle at all, which plays have teh FB or RB as a priamry or secondary receiver and than I delete those plays. I did this until I had about 40-50 plays I like. After that I created the plays in the lesser used formations from scratch as this were gonna just 10-15 plays anyway. When this was done I did kinda the same with running plays and looked that my running direction where fairly balanced. This took me maybe 2-4 hours of work, as I'm not using pistol or shotgun formations which limits the whole variables. Next season however I think that murph would liek to build a complete playbook from scratch. We will see. A few extra things I would liek to mention. I just use 100 plays in my playbook, when I set my playbook as I want it this is more than enough as my OC can just use roudn about 65 plays for the offensive gameplan anyway. And each week you can create new plays (I guess 12 new plays) specificly for your next opponent so no need to have 200 plays and lose ovwerview. I've also tried sometimes back in the day to build a playbook from scratch, to new which plays I've already created I used a prefix in the name of every play and numbered them, as well as building an excel shart to sort them how I like, maybe thats something that could help you. Thanks Max. I'm just considering different/efficient ways to create from scratch that aren't too time consuming for me. The main issue I have is getting a batch of plays I like but then when I add a new batch to sort through, I have no idea which are the new ones and end up going through every single play each time. I've considered adding some of the more gadgety like plays first, say QB run, reverse, pass out of run sets, run out of pass sets, as they will be easy to pick out and then just generate a ton of other plays and sort when I create the GP. Your approach has definitely worked well for you this year mate, so it's something I may look at.  |
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Post by murph on Oct 7, 2021 6:36:07 GMT -5
When I create a playbook, I want to be able to do ANYTHING out of any personnel group. Do if I create a playbook, it will be set up so I can do all this out of any formation... Run inside or outside, short middle passes, short outside passes, medium passes, and long passes. This way, a team can't focus their defense on any one type if play from certain personnel groups.
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Post by Strubbel94 on Oct 7, 2021 6:37:15 GMT -5
This season I've worked harder on my playbook than before. For the formations 122 and 113 I used the guided playbook generator. I created 20 or 30 plays at a time (first just passing) and than I sorted them after primary targets and looked at them one by one to see which plays doesn't fit the balanced playstyle at all, which plays have teh FB or RB as a priamry or secondary receiver and than I delete those plays. I did this until I had about 40-50 plays I like. After that I created the plays in the lesser used formations from scratch as this were gonna just 10-15 plays anyway. When this was done I did kinda the same with running plays and looked that my running direction where fairly balanced. This took me maybe 2-4 hours of work, as I'm not using pistol or shotgun formations which limits the whole variables. Next season however I think that murph would liek to build a complete playbook from scratch. We will see. A few extra things I would like to mention. I just use 100 plays in my playbook, when I set my playbook as I want it this is more than enough as my OC can just use roudn about 65 plays for the offensive gameplan anyway. And each week you can create new plays (I guess 12 new plays) specificly for your next opponent so no need to have 200 plays and lose ovwerview. I've also tried sometimes back in the day to build a playbook from scratch, to new which plays I've already created I used a prefix in the name of every play and numbered them, as well as building an excel shart to sort them how I like, maybe thats something that could help you. Thanks Max. I'm just considering different/efficient ways to create from scratch that aren't too time consuming for me. The main issue I have is getting a batch of plays I like but then when I add a new batch to sort through, I have no idea which are the new ones and end up going through every single play each time.I've considered adding some of the more gadgety like plays first, say QB run, reverse, pass out of run sets, run out of pass sets, as they will be easy to pick out and then just generate a ton of other plays and sort when I create the GP. Your approach has definitely worked well for you this year mate, so it's something I may look at. Well if you like a plays just give them a number for example. So you create 20 plays with the playbook generator, go through them and name the plays you like #1, #2, #3 ... and so on and delete the ones you don't like. Than you end up with maybe 17 plays numbered from #1 through #17. Than you use the playbook creator again and create 20 new plays and repeat. That way you know which plays you already looked at. And when youre finished you can go into each play one more last time and delete the whole name of the play, which brings the default name from the game back. |
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Post by davehibb on Oct 7, 2021 6:45:31 GMT -5
Thanks Max. I'm just considering different/efficient ways to create from scratch that aren't too time consuming for me. The main issue I have is getting a batch of plays I like but then when I add a new batch to sort through, I have no idea which are the new ones and end up going through every single play each time.I've considered adding some of the more gadgety like plays first, say QB run, reverse, pass out of run sets, run out of pass sets, as they will be easy to pick out and then just generate a ton of other plays and sort when I create the GP. Your approach has definitely worked well for you this year mate, so it's something I may look at. Well if you like a plays just give them a number for example. So you create 20 plays with the playbook generator, go through them and name the plays you like #1, #2, #3 ... and so on and delete the ones you don't like. Than you end up with maybe 17 plays numbered from #1 through #17. Than you use the playbook creator again and create 20 new plays and repeat. That way you know which plays you already looked at. And when youre finished you can go into each play one more last time and delete the whole name of the play, which brings the default name from the game back. That's bordering on labour intensive for me  but it might be worth a shot. |
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Post by murph on Oct 7, 2021 7:11:26 GMT -5
Well if you like a plays just give them a number for example. So you create 20 plays with the playbook generator, go through them and name the plays you like #1, #2, #3 ... and so on and delete the ones you don't like. Than you end up with maybe 17 plays numbered from #1 through #17. Than you use the playbook creator again and create 20 new plays and repeat. That way you know which plays you already looked at. And when youre finished you can go into each play one more last time and delete the whole name of the play, which brings the default name from the game back. That's bordering on labour intensive for me but it might be worth a shot. Hahahaha... You're weak Dave! (just joking with you... it's hard to see sarcasm on a screen full of words). When I create a playbook, I create ALL the plays myself. My last playbook was around 138 plays... BTW, I almost never use 023, and rarely 014 or 005... Mostly for 2 minute offense and usually 014 since it's obviously a pass (unless you have a scrambling QB). I like 014 because I can keep the TE in to block. I only use 005 if I have 5 worthy receivers, which I usually don't |
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Post by julioriddols on Oct 7, 2021 9:07:55 GMT -5
I'm with murph on this one, I make the plays all the way down. I have created a 200 play book for three different schemes now, this league is the only one that uses my Earhardt book..
The way I look at it, if I take the time and build a book that does everything within reason without going below solid or occasionally good on play compatibility ratings, then I can make game plans off that to fit personnel based on what I have available to me on the roster. That means although it may be labor intensive, once I build a book I am done. I have only made minor tweaks to one book in the last couple years of real time.
The principles I follow are:
Give each of the top 5 receivers at least 2 of each route (X,Z,R,Y,T)
On passing plays, the primary and secondary route are almost always designed to take advantage of the opposite kinds of defenses. The other three routes are generally deeper routes in an effort to maximize any throw that happens to be made to those options or to theoretically "clear out" the underneath area. I figure if the QB makes it to his 3rd read it probably has a good chance of being open too, so a deeper option is a good idea there.
Only need like 50 run plays, but I try to make sure they are spread out among all the formations so we have flexibility to run out of any formation.
113 and 113t make up 50% of the book, then 203/122/212/104/221/131 depending on scheme, then I have a few plays in the 023, 014 and 230 for specific uses. I haven't made a spread book yet, but it will have some 005 if I do.
I try to keep running and passing plays at roughly the same 3 pass/1 run ratio from each personnel grouping while also varying my QB depth some and making sure I vary formation usage as well.
I change the play names to reflect scheme fit, just adding Best/Solid/Good to the end of the play. Could shorten that to just B/S/G I guess. I only accept "good" fits for heavy formation goal line plays really.
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The thing I want to try with my next playbook is to make three 66 play game plans individually within the book, focusing on different types of offense. I don't know a lot of the details of how I will plan and execute that, but I will eventually get the motivation to do it I am sure. Whenever I decide to try my hand at a Balanced or Spread offense probably.
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Post by Sawblade300 on Oct 7, 2021 9:17:48 GMT -5
Dave...if you haven't seen this, check it out. I've used this to create playbooks and I've liked the plays I have much better. forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=95454As Max said above, rename plays as they're created that way you know which are yours and which are the new rexed plays. Yes, it's a little more work, but could be worth it down the road when creating a game plan. You can more easily find plays for certain situations. |
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Post by davehibb on Oct 7, 2021 9:27:25 GMT -5
Dave...if you haven't seen this, check it out. I've used this to create playbooks and I've liked the plays I have much better. forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=95454As Max said above, rename plays as they're created that way you know which are yours and which are the new rexed plays. Yes, it's a little more work, but could be worth it down the road when creating a game plan. You can more easily find plays for certain situations. I've been pouring over that thread and this one forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=96927 for a couple of days now, with next season in mind. I had a quick mess around in SP but I got bored fairly easily having to check each play. I'll try again at some point and rename the plays. I've downloaded Corbes stock playbooks and I guess they're a decent jump off point but I wanted to have a crack at things myself. It just seems super fiddly in true FOF style. |
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Post by clown on Oct 7, 2021 9:43:47 GMT -5
Dont use the SLIDERS!
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Post by Sawblade300 on Oct 7, 2021 9:54:22 GMT -5
Dave...if you haven't seen this, check it out. I've used this to create playbooks and I've liked the plays I have much better. forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=95454As Max said above, rename plays as they're created that way you know which are yours and which are the new rexed plays. Yes, it's a little more work, but could be worth it down the road when creating a game plan. You can more easily find plays for certain situations. I've been pouring over that thread and this one forums.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=96927 for a couple of days now, with next season in mind. I had a quick mess around in SP but I got bored fairly easily having to check each play. I'll try again at some point and rename the plays. I've downloaded Corbes stock playbooks and I guess they're a decent jump off point but I wanted to have a crack at things myself. It just seems super fiddly in true FOF style. I used his play books as a starting point as well, but more recently I've wanted to fine tune and create my own. As Julio said, I will keep probably 90% of my plays at Best or Solid for my scheme. I guess this is the one part of FOF that takes the most time, but in the long run could be the most beneficial. Once you get a PB you like...it's there forever.  |
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Post by Sawblade300 on Oct 7, 2021 9:56:19 GMT -5
Wrong. The sliders are most important if creating the PB from scratch. Especially when wanting to target certain players, distances, formations and the like. The big key is to set the threshold to 0 or 1 to make sure you're getting plays closest to your OC scheme. |
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Post by clown on Oct 7, 2021 10:00:08 GMT -5
Wrong. The sliders are most important if creating the PB from scratch. Especially when wanting to target certain players, distances, formations and the like. The big key is to set the threshold to 0 or 1 to make sure you're getting plays closest to your OC scheme. DONT USE THE SLIDERS! |
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but it might be worth a shot. 
