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Post by Joel on Feb 19, 2020 8:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by Strubbel94 on Feb 19, 2020 10:15:53 GMT -5
First of all thanks for the nice words Nick.
I wouldn't go so far that we're a top5 team in the League. We have enough flaws to drag us down this season, for example special teams (I had to much good talent that I wanted to keep that I had a tough time to get thos ebig ST bars in) or my startign Kicker out for 4 weeks alongside two curcial suspensiosn and so on.
But you're right that I try to build a team with more cohesion and good amount of talent through good drafting. I might never have the most talented team, btu that way we should always be in the mix like the Bengals with their heavy intelligence approach.
So I'll take it as an compliment and yeah my schedule was kinda easy so far (besides the Seahawks) , but you also can just beat however is on your schedule. Tomorrow will the big test how good we really are as we match up with the Bears.
Furthermore these videos are also great as a podcast while working. Kepp it up guys, I really enjoy it!
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Post by Nick on Feb 19, 2020 10:17:29 GMT -5
I reckon the fence talk was the best bit.
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Post by squirrel on Feb 19, 2020 14:33:07 GMT -5
Awesome again guys, thanks for doing this.
At some point I need to contribute to this, recognise I haven’t been doing as much of that lately as I might. Adds so much to the league to have stuff like this
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Post by ManWithNoName on Feb 19, 2020 18:22:15 GMT -5
Talked about everything. A little offense here, defense here, fence there. I did notice you guys skipped covering my MVP list. I think there's probably been some disconnect in those lists. Nick was putting his most valuable players as far as what guys would fetched on the trade market. Think KO was listing guys that are most likely to win MVP.
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Post by Nick on Feb 20, 2020 5:40:07 GMT -5
Nick was putting his most valuable players as far as what guys would fetched on the trade market. Think KO was listing guys that are most likely to win MVP. Ah, makes sense now. I should of kept the 2 threads together. I can see where we went off course now, my bad. |
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Post by davehibb on Feb 20, 2020 9:01:08 GMT -5
Finally getting around to listening to this now.
I just gave up on FOFC a long time back. It always seemed like Ben's fan club to me. I generally run balanced GPs so I don't think this patch will affect me too much, in fact, I'm kinda thinking, what patch?
It's like anything else, you adapt if it's screwing you. And don't get me started on patches screwing you, look at what happened to McNeil when we flipped from FOF7 to FOF8!
And yeah, I'm with Nick. 80's football all the way. The number of shitty roughing the passer call's and unnecessary roughness calls in the defensive backfield today is a joke.
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Post by KO on Feb 20, 2020 18:45:26 GMT -5
MWNN is correct... The title of the threads are MVP, not 'what would this player fetch in trade'. Two completely different topics. Favoring age is due to the fact that these guys have proved their worth with their actual playing history rather than being the next flavor of the month (sans Hill, who underperformed in Denver but is finally showing his value). I'm frankly never sold on a QB until he proves what he can do under fire, which is why the younger QB's aren't at the top of my list. Alec McCormick has had a better career than a lot of the 'next sure thing's from the past, and he's a scrub.
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Post by sweendawg72 on Feb 20, 2020 23:18:56 GMT -5
Great stuff as always guys. I just would like to say something with regard to the comments that I have made on FOFC. First, off Nick, I respect you as a GM and certainly, you are arguably the best GM in the FOF MP Universe. However, this is a game that by many of us is played for the love of the game. Not all of us have the time to invest multiple hours in figuring out how to combat the changes of the new patch. I truly believe that this patch has made it a lot less interesting for the majority of the FOF MP world. I am not enjoying victories the way I was before. I also as was mentioned a lover of football in the 80s but that was in the 80s. Things evolve, the game evolves and to take a game back that for me should be more in line with the game today to take it back to the 80s makes zero sense. I also feel that there were different ways to be competitive in version 8.2. In this new version i just feel at a loss. Now that is something personal that I have to deal with. I have changed gameplans in multiple leagues to be more balanced where I should be able to be successful and i see the same results.
I look at the game today against the Steelers, once again I get it it is one game but for both Rob and I, in my opinion, it made zero sense based on the rosters ans the abilities of each team. Again, i know I am emotional about this and I appear to be in the minority with regards to this. That being said, in version 8.2 for those that were maybe one or 2 guys in each league that went with an extreme pass attack were not necesserily dominating leagues. If that is how they want to play then with it being a game why should we stop them or penalize them for playing the game that way. Now though i feel like the pendulam has been swung in a direction that effects more people than just the extreme pass happy people. I keep hearing about making changes as it is so out of whack with realism yet 80s football is far from realistic today. So i feel like those that are successful no matter what patch changes there are will continue to thrive. I obviously have a lot to figure out with the new patch. My fear is i will not have the time and will eventually lose interest. I can't believe I am alone in that. We are already living in a world that outside the RZB there are many leagues that are strugling to keep full and that is not good for this community.
Anyway this post is after a bottle of wine and a long day at work so i mean no disrespect by my comments. Just my two cents.
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Post by Nick on Feb 21, 2020 3:11:15 GMT -5
Great stuff as always guys. I just would like to say something with regard to the comments that I have made on FOFC. First, off Nick, I respect you as a GM and certainly, you are arguably the best GM in the FOF MP Universe. However, this is a game that by many of us is played for the love of the game. Not all of us have the time to invest multiple hours in figuring out how to combat the changes of the new patch. I truly believe that this patch has made it a lot less interesting for the majority of the FOF MP world. I am not enjoying victories the way I was before. I also as was mentioned a lover of football in the 80s but that was in the 80s. Things evolve, the game evolves and to take a game back that for me should be more in line with the game today to take it back to the 80s makes zero sense. I also feel that there were different ways to be competitive in version 8.2. In this new version i just feel at a loss. Now that is something personal that I have to deal with. I have changed gameplans in multiple leagues to be more balanced where I should be able to be successful and i see the same results. I look at the game today against the Steelers, once again I get it it is one game but for both Rob and I, in my opinion, it made zero sense based on the rosters ans the abilities of each team. Again, i know I am emotional about this and I appear to be in the minority with regards to this. That being said, in version 8.2 for those that were maybe one or 2 guys in each league that went with an extreme pass attack were not necesserily dominating leagues. If that is how they want to play then with it being a game why should we stop them or penalize them for playing the game that way. Now though i feel like the pendulam has been swung in a direction that effects more people than just the extreme pass happy people. I keep hearing about making changes as it is so out of whack with realism yet 80s football is far from realistic today. So i feel like those that are successful no matter what patch changes there are will continue to thrive. I obviously have a lot to figure out with the new patch. My fear is i will not have the time and will eventually lose interest. I can't believe I am alone in that. We are already living in a world that outside the RZB there are many leagues that are strugling to keep full and that is not good for this community. Anyway this post is after a bottle of wine and a long day at work so i mean no disrespect by my comments. Just my two cents. Yeah I knew your comments were absolutely genuine. I took them more seriously them everyone elses. Ben has a history of bending the rules, of course the guys who ran the all pass system will defend themselves. Rightly or wrongly I felt Dawgfan didn't want to admit that Tzach had designed a system which my style or his couldn't beat without copying him in 8.2. I don't know the guys who saw it from my side, so no idea what their motives are. Other than Nemesis who is obviously smart and knows what he is talking about, lol. Your comments I took seriously. Nobody can tell you how to feel, but let me say this. A bum 10 rated QB in Arizona threw for 10 YPA against us 2 weeks ago. This week a 29 rated bum threw for 372 yards against us. There are natural ebbs and flows in FOF. When a patch comes out we naturally look at the game. Even want to blame the game if we catch a bad run after the patch. But there is no way I can blame the game for our shitty pass defense the past 2 weeks. Naturally we don't hear anything from guys who are performing better in the new patch. The most detailed study available right now says 0.4 YPA and 2% off the passing game. Around 15 yards total, and 1 extra incomplete pass for the average RZB team. You have Brock, and a decent OL, it isn't as though you are pass dependant. It is just a simple tweak down, there are no new secrets to success IMO. I am considering dice rolls, wondering what I could of done differently with regards to moving my stud CB. Holding out and wanting 122 over 5 I felt over a barrel. My gut tells me we beat the Lions if we kept him. I am thinking why the fuck isn't my immense cohesion and chemistry bailing me out. To me this is what FOF should be about. I think we are both just simply going through a bad period. The patch is mainly a coincidence, certainly for me, if anything it would of been worse in 8.2. But largely I think we would be pretty close to where we are now if there was no patch. |
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Post by rush27 on Feb 21, 2020 4:04:25 GMT -5
Great discussion. Thanks guys.
In terms of the Most Valuable Players list, I have listed my players with consideration to Age, Potential Ability, Current Salary and Past Performance (in no particular order). My list will be made up mainly of QB's and WR's with a few RB's towards the end.
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Post by thefatcat on Feb 21, 2020 4:55:16 GMT -5
Other than Nemesis who is obviously smart and knows what he is talking about, lol. hahahaha first time Nem has been called smart, sorry buddy could not resist  |
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Post by Nick on Feb 21, 2020 5:28:47 GMT -5
hahahaha first time Nem has been called smart, sorry buddy could not resist I will call anyone smart if they agree with me  |
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Post by Joel on Feb 21, 2020 6:38:36 GMT -5
Just wanna give my 2cents, I hear all of this 80's stuff and don't see it. I really do think the patch has put the game in line with where it is today.
I think by the end of the season we have 1 team with 5000+ passing yards and 100+ QBR, very like Mahomes, itd be disingenuous for us to have and rightly believe we should have 4/5 guys at that point.
The patch has just made it more clear that if you do have ELITE passing talent, you will still be good, and you cant bodge it with 2nd rated guys in those slots anymore. Again makes sense, shouldn't have 10+ WRs having better seasons than what AB and Julio Jones have ever put up.
Not trying to stir the pot, just want to steer away from this idea that we are in any way playing 80's ball.
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Post by davehibb on Feb 21, 2020 6:50:15 GMT -5
I had a quick snoop over on FOFC and the thing that really struck a chord with me and I apologise straight up for agreeing with Nick but I'm here to play a realistic football management simulator NOT Madden.
These crazy (unrealistic) pass heavy (to put it lightly) GPs, to me at least, are exploiting flaws in the game engine and not a real/true representation of a pro football team, whether that be from the 80's or 2020.
I always compare things to Football Manager and like FM, there's different ways to approach how we all play FOF and hey, we all pay our money and however we want to play, whether it be backloading contracts, exploiting the game engine, using 3rd party tools for drafting or whatever, that's cool.
For me personally, I'd rather play my sports management sims in a way I feel is 'proper' and true to life, some guys might want to min/max and use every flaw/intricacy to their advantage to win, some guys dabble with stuff. It's all fine, play how you want to play. I just don't get why people are butt hurt when a patch like this 'fixes' a clear and obvious (to me at least) flaw in the game engine.
There's still enough scope to run different styles of offense and styles of play in general, whether you want to use a system to suit your personnel, want to create a system and recruit personnel to fit, want to copy real life systems or create something to break the game engine. It's all cool but yeah, 900+ passing attempts and 7,8 or 9000 passing yards simply isn't the norm in the NFL and I'm pretty sure we'd all want our money back if the game AI thought it was.
This isn't aimed at anyone personally at all, just my general thoughts having played sports management sims for 30+ years now.
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